In-state UVA or UMich no merit ?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA unless STEM or business.

For STEM, UM is better. But UVA's McIntire is the same as UM's Ross.

Michigan is far superior for music.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely UVA. I don’t understand the number of people willing to pay OOS Michigan tuition if they have a UVA option.

UVA is so competitive now. U. Michigan has become a UVA back up for in-state kids.

This is actually true. The DD of a best friend was waitlisted at UVA but got into Michigan. She was in the first week of classes and got word that she was off the waitlist at UVA. To her parents' delight (in-state VA), she packed up and moved to UVA. She had a brilliant career there in music and is now doing very very well and recording.

I’m glad she had a brilliant career, but Michigan is way stronger in Music. It is a top conservatory level program. Just another area where Michigan excels. Once again, it was the $$$ that made the difference and not the quality of the program.

Agree.

Michigan is far superior for music.

They are the large, public school equivalent to Juilliard/Eastman/Carnegie Mellon level of schools.

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Go to the one she wants to go to.

Some kids want to get out where they can start fresh and try new! Some kids don’t. Let her pick.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely UVA. I don’t understand the number of people willing to pay OOS Michigan tuition if they have a UVA option.

UVA is so competitive now. U. Michigan has become a UVA back up for in-state kids.

This is actually true. The DD of a best friend was waitlisted at UVA but got into Michigan. She was in the first week of classes and got word that she was off the waitlist at UVA. To her parents' delight (in-state VA), she packed up and moved to UVA. She had a brilliant career there in music and is now doing very very well and recording.

This is insane. No sane person would choose UVA over Michigan unless you were literally homeless. Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely UVA. I don’t understand the number of people willing to pay OOS Michigan tuition if they have a UVA option.

UVA is so competitive now. U. Michigan has become a UVA back up for in-state kids.

This is actually true. The DD of a best friend was waitlisted at UVA but got into Michigan. She was in the first week of classes and got word that she was off the waitlist at UVA. To her parents' delight (in-state VA), she packed up and moved to UVA. She had a brilliant career there in music and is now doing very very well and recording.

This is insane. No sane person would choose UVA over Michigan unless you were literally homeless. Give me a break.

Not at all our experience as VA residents. U Mich has long been a back up for status conscious high scoring VA kids that did not get in to UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Definitely UVA. I don’t understand the number of people willing to pay OOS Michigan tuition if they have a UVA option.

UVA is so competitive now. U. Michigan has become a UVA back up for in-state kids.

This is actually true. The DD of a best friend was waitlisted at UVA but got into Michigan. She was in the first week of classes and got word that she was off the waitlist at UVA. To her parents' delight (in-state VA), she packed up and moved to UVA. She had a brilliant career there in music and is now doing very very well and recording.

This is insane. No sane person would choose UVA over Michigan unless you were literally homeless. Give me a break.

Not at all our experience as VA residents. U Mich has long been a back up for status conscious high scoring VA kids that did not get in to UVA.

The schools are literally neck and neck in the national ratings. The nod going to the mammoth sized school with more departments, grad programs. But, as far as undergrad education, a family would be incredibly foolish to forgo in-state tuition and convenience of travel back and forth to send their kid to the UMich tundra.

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

U Mich was not even on my kid's list for this major as a VA resident. Zero desire.

UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, Hopkins, Yale, Brown, Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton, Tufts, Penn.

In at the first 3 so far.

We are literally in the epicenter of that field in the DMV. WTH would someone go all the way out to Michigan?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

U Mich was not even on my kid's list for this major as a VA resident. Zero desire.

UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, Hopkins, Yale, Brown, Harvard, Dartmouth, Princeton, Tufts, Penn.

In at the first 3 so far.

We are literally in the epicenter of that field in the DMV. WTH would someone go all the way out to Michigan?

I would not pay a ridiculous amount more for another state school as a VA resident. I would have to be getting a lot of merit aid at an OOS public to go anywhere else than a VA school and UMich isn't known for that. A top private/Ivy, yes, possibly. But, stupid move (even w/ the $) to pay for UMich over our VA state universities.

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Michigan is ugly and cold most of the year and UVA is one of the most gorgeous campuses on earth, and a great school. I don't see why you'd not rule Michigan out easily.

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School year internship opportunities at Georgetown can't be beat if you interested in IR / Gov...Ann Arbor and Charlottesville don't offer the same school year access.

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Anonymous wrote:School year internship opportunities at Georgetown can't be beat if you interested in IR / Gov...Ann Arbor and Charlottesville don't offer the same school year access.

GW and American are worth considering for this reasons as well as NYC schools

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Anonymous wrote:School year internship opportunities at Georgetown can't be beat if you interested in IR / Gov...Ann Arbor and Charlottesville don't offer the same school year access.

GW and American are worth considering for this reasons as well as NYC schools

W&M gets kids DC internships during school year too.

William & Mary D.C. Semester Program
Over the course of a single semester, students earn 12 credits, fulfill COLL requirements, and work a full-time internship in Washington D.C.!

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

All that and it's not even answering OPs question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

I guess you missed the part where the kid was into international relations/govt/politics/history. DC area is the place to be. UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, and then the NE Ivies, Tufts and Hopkins will serve him/her so much better than UM. As a VA resident, there would be zero need to apply to UM with that major and it would be stupid to choose it over in-state or any of the others.