In-state UVA or UMich no merit ?

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Anonymous wrote:Which would you pick?

My 2c.. probably already covered in the previous 8 pages.

- If you can't afford OOS Michigan without issues, then go with UVA.
- If money is not an issue and if you are thinking CS and kid wants to work in SV or FAANG type companies, you will have much, much more success out of Michigan than UVA. We know one kid out of UVA that got offers from FAANG-type companies and beyond (think Jane Street) but chose to work for a startup in SV says that senior mgmt. scans for top schools when hiring employees even for the second/third gigs and UVA is not part of that list so the college you go to follows you for a bit longer than your first job in SV.
- Our DC goes to school at Michigan and internship placements for his cohort, even during this year's cycle (more difficult than last year) have been outstanding. Also, DC's CS friends out of Virginia Tech seem to have better placements that those out of UVA but you should check your own sources. Of course, all of this doesn't matter if you are only looking at average outcomes and are happy with that with both schools likely comparable, with UVA being a bit more regional in outcomes compared to Michigan.
- Business School - Michigan Ross is a direct admit while UVA is not. Other than that, I'd say both are comparable.
- Other programs - I've heard great things about Michigan's Music and Kinesiology programs
- Global recognition and Network - I hear Michigan has a much larger network and global recognition but how that translates into a benefit, we are yet to see..

Bottom line, it depends on intended major and where you think DC is/would be relative to the rest of their cohort.

I guess you missed the part where the kid was into international relations/govt/politics/history. DC area is the place to be. UVA, W&M, Georgetown, GW, and then the NE Ivies, Tufts and Hopkins will serve him/her so much better than UM. As a VA resident, there would be zero need to apply to UM with that major and it would be stupid to choose it over in-state or any of the others.

In that case, yes. That was not in the OP. Must have added later. Didn't want to wade through 8 pages of drivel.

Kid should try for merit at AU. You can’t underestimate the strength of access to programs right in DC for co-ops, internships, and especially those Payhways fed internship which require year-round part-time work that will typically lead to a ft position

This suggestion makes no sense. UVA ranks 24. American is 106. Prestige matters greatly for internships (uva kid was a senate staffer). UVA is $39k all in for in-state. Anerican is $79,622. That would have to be some incredie merit schokarship to beat UVA. Kid should try for the free ride Jefferson Scholarship at UVA. Not only is college free but the name alone opens doors.

You are commenting on a post from 7 months ago.

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UMich no merit. Go experience something new!

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

Then don’t be foolish.
UVA is a great undergraduate school and will save you tens of thousands—which you can save for when your kid goes to Michigan for grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

Then don’t be foolish.
UVA is a great undergraduate school and will save you tens of thousands—which you can save for when your kid goes to Michigan for grad school.

+1. Also with an interest in international relations, government and politics bear in mind the chances of your child doing a Bill Clinton. UVA has produced double the amount of Rhodes Scholars (56) compared to Michigan's 31, notwithstanding being half the size of Michigan. And UVA Law is ranked no. 4. UVA undergraduates get preference at UVA Law in addition to residency preference.

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Oh yay! It's the poster who is certain anyone cares about Rhodes scholars!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yay! It's the poster who is certain anyone cares about Rhodes scholars!

….and still not one graduate who went on to become a Nobel prize winner.

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And UVA Law is ranked no. 4. UVA undergraduates get preference at UVA Law in addition to residency preference.”

Considering most of the top law schools don’t report to USNWR anymore, I wouldn’t put too much stock in that ranking. Shall we discuss STEM now? Much more relevant to undergraduates.

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

I do like Michigan, but that's going to be a no for that major. Virginia all the way.

Now if the conversation was about engineering or Ross, well, that might be a different conversation. But for IR and the $200,000 price difference, that's going to be a no.

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Anonymous wrote:Very much depends on the major.

International relations/government/politics leaning

I do like Michigan, but that's going to be a no for that major. Virginia all the way.

Now if the conversation was about engineering or Ross, well, that might be a different conversation. But for IR and the $200,000 price difference, that's going to be a no.

Of course it’s a no in this case. Just like UVA would be a no for just about anyone living in a different state that has a top public.

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Go Blue!

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Go Blue for Ross or Engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Go Blue for Ross or Engineering

And a plethora of highly ranked departments across academic disciplines.

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Good luck getting into Ross this year now that it switched to direct admit.

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Anonymous wrote:Go Blue for Ross or Engineering

And a plethora of highly ranked departments across academic disciplines.

Not compared to UVA in-state, no. And definitely not for IR/politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a graduate degree in international relations and I work in international development. I would suggest going in-state to UVA and saving the money for graduate school, which is a likely next step if your kid wants to have a career in these fields.

This is the correct answer and reasoning. Master’s is an entry requirement for most of these jobs anymore.