Missionaries in foreign countries are crass

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I brought this up before xmas - the shoebox campaign is a mission trip, set up to try and trick kids into indoctrination.

"Come get a little present!"
"Not so quick, gotta listen to our religious spiel first..."

Obnoxious and sad. If it was truly about helping people, you would build schools/hospitals/offer gifts and food without an expectation of reciprocity. Unfortunately it's treated as a transaction, with christians trying to manipulate poor vulnerable folks.

Exactly. Quid pro quo.

You can have this box of trinkets for your "soul".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I brought this up before xmas - the shoebox campaign is a mission trip, set up to try and trick kids into indoctrination.

"Come get a little present!"
"Not so quick, gotta listen to our religious spiel first..."

Obnoxious and sad. If it was truly about helping people, you would build schools/hospitals/offer gifts and food without an expectation of reciprocity. Unfortunately it's treated as a transaction, with christians trying to manipulate poor vulnerable folks.

Exactly. Quid pro quo.

You can have this box of trinkets for your "soul".

You are absolutely incorrect. Children who receive shoebox gifts are not told beforehand they are receiving a gift for attending a church service or event. They are not promised anything.

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Anonymous wrote:People do not need to keep the religion they are born into. They have human rights to talk about and learn about other religious beliefs outside of those they were born into.

I don’t know why freedom to learn about another religion is considered crass, but anyone who supports freedom and self-determination as a human right (as the UN does) is not crass.

You can change your own religion, but you can't change others.

Foisting your religion on others - especially vulnerable people - is unethical.

Mind your own culture/beliefs.

You are closed minded and insular. You don’t make decisions for anyone but yourself. You are proudly against basic human rights, weird.

You misunderstand basic human rights. They are for an individual to make choices for themselves. They don't give you the right to convert others.

Christians don’t convert people to Christianity. God does. Christians can’t make people believe in God if they don’t want to believe in God.

God doesn't exist so "he" doesn't really do anything.

Missionaries use various techniques to convert people to their religion. Mormons go door to door. Other missionaries target more vulnerable populations. Some even use bribes like christmas boxes.

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I feel very, very sorry for you PP. In m sincerity, I hope the Holy Spirit continues to nag at you and that you will come to see the foolishness of your ways.

You feel sorry for me for recognizing reality? I'm good, thanks.

Christians proselytize. And people will judge them for that.

It's unethical to proselytize to vulnerable people.

You are totally blind to reality. Your ego is all you see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I brought this up before xmas - the shoebox campaign is a mission trip, set up to try and trick kids into indoctrination.

"Come get a little present!"
"Not so quick, gotta listen to our religious spiel first..."

Obnoxious and sad. If it was truly about helping people, you would build schools/hospitals/offer gifts and food without an expectation of reciprocity. Unfortunately it's treated as a transaction, with christians trying to manipulate poor vulnerable folks.

Exactly. Quid pro quo.

You can have this box of trinkets for your "soul".

You are absolutely incorrect. Children who receive shoebox gifts are not told beforehand they are receiving a gift for attending a church service or event. They are not promised anything.

This is from the website:

Worldwide Distribution
Long before shoeboxes arrive in more than 100 countries, volunteer National Leadership Teams train pastors and community leaders who want to share the message of the Gospel and bless children. The leaders learn how to host child-friendly outreach events, and how to implement The Greatest Journey follow-up discipleship program.

Outreach Events
Pastors around the world host outreach events in places where people may not know Christ and invite them to follow Him. Other churches use the boxes as resources for outreach in orphanages and other at-risk areas. In many places, they also offer The Greatest Gift, a Gospel story booklet Samaritan’s Purse developed for shoebox recipients, and invite children to participate in The Greatest Journey discipleship program.


It's not like theyre giving these out willy nilly - no, it's absolutely tied into religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I brought this up before xmas - the shoebox campaign is a mission trip, set up to try and trick kids into indoctrination.

"Come get a little present!"
"Not so quick, gotta listen to our religious spiel first..."

Obnoxious and sad. If it was truly about helping people, you would build schools/hospitals/offer gifts and food without an expectation of reciprocity. Unfortunately it's treated as a transaction, with christians trying to manipulate poor vulnerable folks.

Exactly. Quid pro quo.

You can have this box of trinkets for your "soul".

You are absolutely incorrect. Children who receive shoebox gifts are not told beforehand they are receiving a gift for attending a church service or event. They are not promised anything.

This is from the website:

Worldwide Distribution
Long before shoeboxes arrive in more than 100 countries, volunteer National Leadership Teams train pastors and community leaders who want to share the message of the Gospel and bless children. The leaders learn how to host child-friendly outreach events, and how to implement The Greatest Journey follow-up discipleship program.

Outreach Events
Pastors around the world host outreach events in places where people may not know Christ and invite them to follow Him. Other churches use the boxes as resources for outreach in orphanages and other at-risk areas. In many places, they also offer The Greatest Gift, a Gospel story booklet Samaritan’s Purse developed for shoebox recipients, and invite children to participate in The Greatest Journey discipleship program.


It's not like theyre giving these out willy nilly - no, it's absolutely tied into religion.

Yes, the local church invites kids to a religious event. And after the event kids receive a gift sent by someone who donated the shoebox. But kids are not told to come to the event for a gift. They are attending the event without expectation of a gift.

[Anonymous]

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LOL yeah sure, no one is attending these things for the free goodie bag... Prob the only reason they attend.

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Anonymous wrote:People do not need to keep the religion they are born into. They have human rights to talk about and learn about other religious beliefs outside of those they were born into.

I don’t know why freedom to learn about another religion is considered crass, but anyone who supports freedom and self-determination as a human right (as the UN does) is not crass.

You can change your own religion, but you can't change others.

Foisting your religion on others - especially vulnerable people - is unethical.

Mind your own culture/beliefs.

You are closed minded and insular. You don’t make decisions for anyone but yourself. You are proudly against basic human rights, weird.

You misunderstand basic human rights. They are for an individual to make choices for themselves. They don't give you the right to convert others.

Christians don’t convert people to Christianity. God does. Christians can’t make people believe in God if they don’t want to believe in God.

God doesn't exist so "he" doesn't really do anything.

Missionaries use various techniques to convert people to their religion. Mormons go door to door. Other missionaries target more vulnerable populations. Some even use bribes like christmas boxes.

.

I feel very, very sorry for you PP. In m sincerity, I hope the Holy Spirit continues to nag at you and that you will come to see the foolishness of your ways.

You feel sorry for me for recognizing reality? I'm good, thanks.

Christians proselytize. And people will judge them for that.

It's unethical to proselytize to vulnerable people.

You are totally blind to reality. Your ego is all you see.

Why does anyone "believe"? Because someone, usually their parents, told them what to believe. It's not like someone who is isolated from Christians will all of a sudden "find Jesus". There isn't something that person will experience on their own that will make them "believe". That's because it only exists as a "story" passed down. It only exists in your mind, as a story someone told you. It's not real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I brought this up before xmas - the shoebox campaign is a mission trip, set up to try and trick kids into indoctrination.

"Come get a little present!"
"Not so quick, gotta listen to our religious spiel first..."

Obnoxious and sad. If it was truly about helping people, you would build schools/hospitals/offer gifts and food without an expectation of reciprocity. Unfortunately it's treated as a transaction, with christians trying to manipulate poor vulnerable folks.

Exactly. Quid pro quo.

You can have this box of trinkets for your "soul".

You are absolutely incorrect. Children who receive shoebox gifts are not told beforehand they are receiving a gift for attending a church service or event. They are not promised anything.

This is from the website:

Worldwide Distribution
Long before shoeboxes arrive in more than 100 countries, volunteer National Leadership Teams train pastors and community leaders who want to share the message of the Gospel and bless children. The leaders learn how to host child-friendly outreach events, and how to implement The Greatest Journey follow-up discipleship program.

Outreach Events
Pastors around the world host outreach events in places where people may not know Christ and invite them to follow Him. Other churches use the boxes as resources for outreach in orphanages and other at-risk areas. In many places, they also offer The Greatest Gift, a Gospel story booklet Samaritan’s Purse developed for shoebox recipients, and invite children to participate in The Greatest Journey discipleship program.


It's not like theyre giving these out willy nilly - no, it's absolutely tied into religion.

Yes, the local church invites kids to a religious event. And after the event kids receive a gift sent by someone who donated the shoebox. But kids are not told to come to the event for a gift. They are attending the event without expectation of a gift.

In the quoted text above it says these gifts are used as resources for outreach and they invite children to convert... do the ones who don't not receive their gift? Only the ones who "passed" this test of attending or agreeing blindly?

[Anonymous]

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Ugh. That was so painful to watch. She was so so vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL yeah sure, no one is attending these things for the free goodie bag... Prob the only reason they attend.

The kids aren’t told they will receive a gift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL yeah sure, no one is attending these things for the free goodie bag... Prob the only reason they attend.

The kids aren’t told they will receive a gift.

How do you know? How do you know they don't start a little telephone game to try and garner as much "support" for their event as possible?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

It's predatory.

"a gift no one can refuse"
"it starts with a shoebox and ends up with a bible in their hand"
"over 50% of the kids give their lives to jesus christ for the first time"
"changing the culture"

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/operation-christmas-child/the-journey-of-a-shoebox/

"Other churches use the boxes as resources for outreach in orphanages and other at-risk areas. In many places, they also offer The Greatest Gift, a Gospel story booklet Samaritan’s Purse developed for shoebox recipients, and invite children to participate in The Greatest Journey discipleship program.

As a result of what they learn in The Greatest Journey, boys and girls grow in Christ and share with friends and family. The students also invite others to their graduations where the Gospel is shared. This often brings parents, siblings, and friends to accept Christ and become active members in the local church. Families are reached, churches grow, new churches are started, and communities are transformed. Go Deeper ￫"

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Anonymous wrote:People do not need to keep the religion they are born into. They have human rights to talk about and learn about other religious beliefs outside of those they were born into.

I don’t know why freedom to learn about another religion is considered crass, but anyone who supports freedom and self-determination as a human right (as the UN does) is not crass.

You can change your own religion, but you can't change others.

Foisting your religion on others - especially vulnerable people - is unethical.

Mind your own culture/beliefs.

You are closed minded and insular. You don’t make decisions for anyone but yourself. You are proudly against basic human rights, weird.

You misunderstand basic human rights. They are for an individual to make choices for themselves. They don't give you the right to convert others.

Christians don’t convert people to Christianity. God does. Christians can’t make people believe in God if they don’t want to believe in God.

God doesn't exist so "he" doesn't really do anything.

Missionaries use various techniques to convert people to their religion. Mormons go door to door. Other missionaries target more vulnerable populations. Some even use bribes like christmas boxes.

.

I feel very, very sorry for you PP. In m sincerity, I hope the Holy Spirit continues to nag at you and that you will come to see the foolishness of your ways.

You feel sorry for me for recognizing reality? I'm good, thanks.

Christians proselytize. And people will judge them for that.

It's unethical to proselytize to vulnerable people.

You are totally blind to reality. Your ego is all you see.

Why does anyone "believe"? Because someone, usually their parents, told them what to believe. It's not like someone who is isolated from Christians will all of a sudden "find Jesus". There isn't something that person will experience on their own that will make them "believe". That's because it only exists as a "story" passed down. It only exists in your mind, as a story someone told you. It's not real.

Praying for you PP. This obviously bothers you a lot.