Missionaries in foreign countries are crass

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Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

[Anonymous]

For those who are open to hearing this, sometimes people who tell kids that their family ways maybe the reason that they are sick/don’t have enough to eat/etc (even if it’s not said out aloud) can really cause damage. My grandmother watched this type of mission which targeted the vulnerable populations in her country rather than the middle class that she came from. She had a woman who came to clean her house that was seriously upset about losing her teen children to the missionaries. The kids apparently thought if they converted all would be great. My grandmother counseled her to encourage her kids to convert if that was what was important to them but that they had to treat their family with respect. The conversion didn’t last since the kids lives weren’t noticeably better after conversion. But it put a lot of strain on the family that was really unnecessary.

So do what you must, I guess. But understand that you are messing with people’s lives.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are open to hearing this, sometimes people who tell kids that their family ways maybe the reason that they are sick/don’t have enough to eat/etc (even if it’s not said out aloud) can really cause damage. My grandmother watched this type of mission which targeted the vulnerable populations in her country rather than the middle class that she came from. She had a woman who came to clean her house that was seriously upset about losing her teen children to the missionaries. The kids apparently thought if they converted all would be great. My grandmother counseled her to encourage her kids to convert if that was what was important to them but that they had to treat their family with respect. The conversion didn’t last since the kids lives weren’t noticeably better after conversion. But it put a lot of strain on the family that was really unnecessary.

So do what you must, I guess. But understand that you are messing with people’s lives.

Weird how they only target the poor and vulnerable eh

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:"Dr Patrick Chau...called religion “the opium of the mass[es]”.

“If you have [anything] positive to say about religion,” he told me, “l wish not to see or hear” it. He said his son’s zeal was a longstanding point of contention and that they’d agreed not to talk about John’s missionary work. He blamed evangelicals’ “extreme Christianity” for pushing his child to a “not unexpected end”.

Like Patrick Chau, Justin Graves, a pastor and a friend of John’s from linguistics school, has blamed evangelical culture for enabling Chau’s death... "His death brings to light a multitude of issues with Evangelical views” and “hell-based ethics”.

A 26 year olds life ended due to religious fanaticism. Terrible.

Yikes more:

In 2017 he was accepted to a boot camp run by All Nations, a Kansas City organization that works to see Jesus “worshipped by every tongue, tribe and nation”. All Nations urges Christians to inculcate a “wartime mentality” and “make strategic decisions in the battle we’re waging against a real enemy”.
“He had already heard all the arguments of why this was a fool’s errand and would jeopardize any mission associated with it, let alone the [lives] of the individuals involved.”

Was this guy supposed to be an example of a good missionary?? He sounds like a psychopath

DP. Why are you obsessed with this one guy as somehow emblematic of all missionaries? He’s not, you know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

Thousands of them at a time as a sacrifice to the gods?

I can think of a lot of cultures that didn't do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

So you’re ok with murder of your own people or outsiders. Got it.

Glad I don’t share your moral compass!

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Anonymous wrote:"Dr Patrick Chau...called religion “the opium of the mass[es]”.

“If you have [anything] positive to say about religion,” he told me, “l wish not to see or hear” it. He said his son’s zeal was a longstanding point of contention and that they’d agreed not to talk about John’s missionary work. He blamed evangelicals’ “extreme Christianity” for pushing his child to a “not unexpected end”.

Like Patrick Chau, Justin Graves, a pastor and a friend of John’s from linguistics school, has blamed evangelical culture for enabling Chau’s death... "His death brings to light a multitude of issues with Evangelical views” and “hell-based ethics”.

A 26 year olds life ended due to religious fanaticism. Terrible.

Yikes more:

In 2017 he was accepted to a boot camp run by All Nations, a Kansas City organization that works to see Jesus “worshipped by every tongue, tribe and nation”. All Nations urges Christians to inculcate a “wartime mentality” and “make strategic decisions in the battle we’re waging against a real enemy”.
“He had already heard all the arguments of why this was a fool’s errand and would jeopardize any mission associated with it, let alone the [lives] of the individuals involved.”

Was this guy supposed to be an example of a good missionary?? He sounds like a psychopath

DP. Why are you obsessed with this one guy as somehow emblematic of all missionaries? He’s not, you know.

Christians are posting him as a martyr, a pinacle of the perfect missionary. I was just reading some articles on him as I'd never heard about him. Does that mean I'm "obsessed"?

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

So you’re ok with murder of your own people or outsiders. Got it.

Glad I don’t share your moral compass!

Where did I say that I was ok with it? Don't impose your own thoughts on others.

Just because it happens, doesn't mean I'm ok with it. Our own military industrial complex is horrific in my view, but yet we also openly support the trend collectively as a society and government. It's not much different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

Thousands of them at a time as a sacrifice to the gods?

I can think of a lot of cultures that didn't do that.

Have you heard of this thing called the US Military?

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Anonymous wrote:Re not killing their own people, so let's say the Aztecs killed thousands of their own people. That was okay?

What culture in human history has *not* killed or sacrificed its own people? Even present day, this is normal everywhere.

So you’re ok with murder of your own people or outsiders. Got it.

Glad I don’t share your moral compass!

Where did I say that I was ok with it? Don't impose your own thoughts on others.

Just because it happens, doesn't mean I'm ok with it. Our own military industrial complex is horrific in my view, but yet we also openly support the trend collectively as a society and government. It's not much different.

Christians twisting words?!
*gasp*
*pikachu face*

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Dr Patrick Chau...called religion “the opium of the mass[es]”.

“If you have [anything] positive to say about religion,” he told me, “l wish not to see or hear” it. He said his son’s zeal was a longstanding point of contention and that they’d agreed not to talk about John’s missionary work. He blamed evangelicals’ “extreme Christianity” for pushing his child to a “not unexpected end”.

Like Patrick Chau, Justin Graves, a pastor and a friend of John’s from linguistics school, has blamed evangelical culture for enabling Chau’s death... "His death brings to light a multitude of issues with Evangelical views” and “hell-based ethics”.

A 26 year olds life ended due to religious fanaticism. Terrible.

Yikes more:

In 2017 he was accepted to a boot camp run by All Nations, a Kansas City organization that works to see Jesus “worshipped by every tongue, tribe and nation”. All Nations urges Christians to inculcate a “wartime mentality” and “make strategic decisions in the battle we’re waging against a real enemy”.
“He had already heard all the arguments of why this was a fool’s errand and would jeopardize any mission associated with it, let alone the [lives] of the individuals involved.”

Was this guy supposed to be an example of a good missionary?? He sounds like a psychopath

DP. Why are you obsessed with this one guy as somehow emblematic of all missionaries? He’s not, you know.

Christians are posting him as a martyr, a pinacle of the perfect missionary. I was just reading some articles on him as I'd never heard about him. Does that mean I'm "obsessed"?

Um no, I believe it was an atheist who first brought him up. You didn’t expect pushback? But anyway, you’re the one who went batsh!t with all your screeds about how egotistical he was, as if you knew him personally, and you’re the one insinuating all missionaries are like this.

You need to think things through more clearly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Dr Patrick Chau...called religion “the opium of the mass[es]”.

“If you have [anything] positive to say about religion,” he told me, “l wish not to see or hear” it. He said his son’s zeal was a longstanding point of contention and that they’d agreed not to talk about John’s missionary work. He blamed evangelicals’ “extreme Christianity” for pushing his child to a “not unexpected end”.

Like Patrick Chau, Justin Graves, a pastor and a friend of John’s from linguistics school, has blamed evangelical culture for enabling Chau’s death... "His death brings to light a multitude of issues with Evangelical views” and “hell-based ethics”.

A 26 year olds life ended due to religious fanaticism. Terrible.

Yikes more:

In 2017 he was accepted to a boot camp run by All Nations, a Kansas City organization that works to see Jesus “worshipped by every tongue, tribe and nation”. All Nations urges Christians to inculcate a “wartime mentality” and “make strategic decisions in the battle we’re waging against a real enemy”.
“He had already heard all the arguments of why this was a fool’s errand and would jeopardize any mission associated with it, let alone the [lives] of the individuals involved.”

Was this guy supposed to be an example of a good missionary?? He sounds like a psychopath

DP. Why are you obsessed with this one guy as somehow emblematic of all missionaries? He’s not, you know.

Christians are posting him as a martyr, a pinacle of the perfect missionary. I was just reading some articles on him as I'd never heard about him. Does that mean I'm "obsessed"?

Um no, I believe it was an atheist who first brought him up. You didn’t expect pushback? But anyway, you’re the one who went batsh!t with all your screeds about how egotistical he was, as if you knew him personally, and you’re the one insinuating all missionaries are like this.

You need to think things through more clearly.

I looked back and you are correct, thanks for pointing that out. Funny that the next reply is a christian talking about how terrible their lives must be, since they know so much about it apparently!

I dont know him personally, but I did read what he had written, and he sounds like a psychotic person hell bent on doing something no one else had done before. I also never insinuated all missionaries are like that, however they do share a lot of similarities. I do still firmly believe that mission trips are predatory. Sometimes those involved are too brainwashed (like this poor fellow) to realize what they are doing is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians love to play the victim, even when they are victimizing others.

Exactly.

DP. To be fair, you’re misrepresenting Christians on this thread.

PP was pretty accurate:

"Christians love to play the victim"
Someone, presumably a Christian, posted multiple examples of Christians being "persecuted" in other countries.

even when they are victimizing others.
Multiple examples of Christians missionaries victimizing vulnerable people have been shared on this thread.

Both can be true

Maybe Christians wouldn't get killed as often if they weren't trying to proselytize in areas where they aren't wanted.

Well, this man was doing what he thought was right. He was not a performative Christian; he didn’t just copy a scripture onto his facebook status. He wanted to help people and knew he was very likely to die.

“I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. Please do not be angry at them or at God if I get killed ... Don't retrieve my body." -He wrote this in his diary.

The Sentinelese have repeatedly attacked approaching vessels, whether the boats were intentionally visiting the island or simply ran aground on the surrounding coral reef. The islanders have been observed shooting arrows at boats, as well as at low-flying helicopters. Such attacks have resulted in injury and death. In 2006, islanders killed two fishermen whose boat had drifted ashore.

The Sentinelese are known to have scavenged both shipwrecks for iron.

The first peaceful contact with the Sentinelese was made by Triloknath Pandit, a director of the Anthropological Survey of India, and his colleagues on 4 January 1991. Although Pandit and his colleagues were able to make repeated friendly contact, dropping coconuts and other gifts to the Sentinelese, no progress was made in understanding the Sentinelese language, and the Sentinelese repeatedly warned them off if they stayed too long. Indian visits to the island ceased in 1997.

The Sentinelese survived the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and its after-effects, including the tsunami and the uplifting of the island. Three days after the earthquake, an Indian government helicopter observed several islanders, who shot arrows and threw spears and stones at the helicopter.

I don’t know why the people on this island are voluntarily isolated, but it can’t be a very pleasant life.

Moral of the story: don’t push your religion on anyone.

The tribe the missionary was trying to contact kills anyone who visits their island, even accidentally. They have killed fishermen who accidentally washed up on their island. When another ship became disabled and had to go ashore on the island, it was a very dangerous situation and the Indian government had to rescue them quickly.

While I don’t think anyone should force anyone to do anything, it’s ridiculous that in 2024 an island exists with inhabitants who immediately kill anyone who even accidentally lands there. The people on the island attack anyone and any helicopter, ship, etc that gets near the island. They can retain their culture and traditions and not kill anyone who comes in contact with them.

They have the right to autonomously rule their own sovereignty.

They don’t need white Christians to force their morals on others.

I agree. If they want to kill anyone that is not from their tribe and think violence and death of innocent people is right, that’s their choice. Nobody has a right to make them not kill people. that’s how they have lived since the start, and it makes sense to them. Their religion probably tells them that’s how to deal with outsiders.

So let's say the religion says to sacrifice children and torture virgin girls before marriage, that is fine with you. Because it's their tradition.

Human rights violations are not ok.

They can defend their borders though.

Murder is a human rights violation.

They aren’t murdering their people.

So if I murder somebody from Canada, that's OK?

You're so twisted that you really have no business criticizing others, and that includes missionaries.

Or you're a troll. Tell us, how many times have you spewed bile on this thread alone?

We are a different country with different rules. They don’t want outsiders. That includes people trying to push their religion on them.

Again, they have the right to autonomously rule their own sovereignty. And they don’t need white Christians to force their morals on others.

(Similarly we don’t need that here in our country)

“Bile”? Well I guess you could describe the truth about missionaries as disgusting so that could apply.

Got it. You think murder is better than Christianity.

You are one sick, bigoted puppy.

I didn’t say that. Guess you can’t address what I actually say do you have to make something up.

Countries kill others to protect themselves. This is no different.

Christians wouldn't get killed as often if they weren't trying to proselytize in areas where they aren't wanted.

Troll or psychopath. In a post denying you said murder is OK, you repeat that you think murder is OK.

I’m sorry you struggle with reading comprehension but I never said murder is ok.

1/7 14:54 "I agree. If they want to kill anyone that is not from their tribe and think violence and death of innocent people is right, that’s their choice. Nobody has a right to make them not kill people. that’s how they have lived since the start, and it makes sense to them. Their religion probably tells them that’s how to deal with outsiders."

1/7 17:13 "They aren’t murdering their people."

1/8 8:36 "We are a different country with different rules."

1/8 10:32 "Countries kill others to protect themselves. This is no different." (as if a helicopter or missionary is equivalent to Russia invading Ukraine)

The moderator deleted your comments defending pedophilia and rape of children because they're other cultures or something.

Psychopath or troll, which are you?

There are multiple posters. I didn’t say anything about pedophilia (or even see those posts) or 14:54.

And I never said murder is ok. Defending their border isn’t murder. No more so than any other military action defending one’s homeland that results in death.

So you didn’t post 14:54 but you posted the rest. In other words, you think a MAGA is within their rights to kill a Canadian who is promoting universal healthcare on Dupont Circle. Or they can kill a Muslim who is talking about Mohammed. All ok, according to you.

Not at all. You aren't very good at reading and/or logic. Shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:Christians love to play the victim, even when they are victimizing others.

Exactly.

DP. To be fair, you’re misrepresenting Christians on this thread.

PP was pretty accurate:

"Christians love to play the victim"
Someone, presumably a Christian, posted multiple examples of Christians being "persecuted" in other countries.

even when they are victimizing others.
Multiple examples of Christians missionaries victimizing vulnerable people have been shared on this thread.

Both can be true

Maybe Christians wouldn't get killed as often if they weren't trying to proselytize in areas where they aren't wanted.

Well, this man was doing what he thought was right. He was not a performative Christian; he didn’t just copy a scripture onto his facebook status. He wanted to help people and knew he was very likely to die.

“I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. Please do not be angry at them or at God if I get killed ... Don't retrieve my body." -He wrote this in his diary.

The Sentinelese have repeatedly attacked approaching vessels, whether the boats were intentionally visiting the island or simply ran aground on the surrounding coral reef. The islanders have been observed shooting arrows at boats, as well as at low-flying helicopters. Such attacks have resulted in injury and death. In 2006, islanders killed two fishermen whose boat had drifted ashore.

The Sentinelese are known to have scavenged both shipwrecks for iron.

The first peaceful contact with the Sentinelese was made by Triloknath Pandit, a director of the Anthropological Survey of India, and his colleagues on 4 January 1991. Although Pandit and his colleagues were able to make repeated friendly contact, dropping coconuts and other gifts to the Sentinelese, no progress was made in understanding the Sentinelese language, and the Sentinelese repeatedly warned them off if they stayed too long. Indian visits to the island ceased in 1997.

The Sentinelese survived the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and its after-effects, including the tsunami and the uplifting of the island. Three days after the earthquake, an Indian government helicopter observed several islanders, who shot arrows and threw spears and stones at the helicopter.

I don’t know why the people on this island are voluntarily isolated, but it can’t be a very pleasant life.

Moral of the story: don’t push your religion on anyone.

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He wasnt doing this out of the goodness of his heart, he wanted to be THE ONE to bring jesus to them! Everyone before has failed, but he wanted to be the one that succeeded.

What sin is that? Hubris?

This is why it’s so unethical. They are doing it for their own selfish reasons - for their own religious beliefs. If they simply wanted to help others there wouldn’t be a religious component to it at all.

This. ALL missionaries are proselytizing for selfish reasons. It's entirely about the missionary/proselytizer.

You know ALL missionaries? Wow, that’s amazing.

We need some sort of word to identify DCUM’s most hateful, lying bigots. Then we could just answer with the passcode and nobody would bother replying to them.

Christians?

100%, at least on this thread. They manufacture strawmen constantly.