Is NYU still Top 25?

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

While I wouldn't go this far, I don't necessarily buy that students there are all that special. I work with too many Ivy alums to believe that now. And I have a number of friends from high school who went to Ivies and they all reported back that they had to work harder in high school than in college. Even though they were happy to be there and, presumably, like having the schools on their resumes, they all admitted that the hardest part was getting in. No sour grapes here. I wasn't interested and neither was my kid. Just an observation that many of us are not starry-eyed about Ivies. I don't doubt that there are some extraordinary kids there. I just don't believe that it's the majority.

I don't doubt PP's assessment . Obama said the most impressive thing about going to an ivy is that he's no longer impressed by an ivy degree in others.

Obama with his Columbia degree was able to go toe-to-toe with Bush Jr with his Yale resume. It was the voters who saw Obama as Bush Jr's equal Likewise, it's Probably the PP's employer who is seeing the value of the ivy creds on its payroll.

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Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

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It's overpriced for what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you REALLY think the quality of NYU relative to WUSTL/Emory changed by much from year to year based on what USNWR rankings say? Exh A as to why ranking colleges as a whole is worse than meaningless.

Most undergrads in the T100 are good. But I'm only willing to pay 300k for a name brand with strong ascending reputation. Is that NYU? That's what I'm asking.

Absolutely, schools like NYU, USC, and Northeastern will keep on rising.

USC is known as a school for those who couldn't get into its rival - UCLA. In terms of quality, location, and cost, many choose USC only after they were rejected by UCLA. I am inclined to think the same thing with NYU, US News ranked #35. It's an option for those who didn't make the cut at Stony Brook -- SUNY, US News ranked #58,

Not even funny.
Speaking of Sunny
https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/suny-deficit-hit-1-billion-future-aid-tuition-18580207.php

"SUNY warns of future $1B deficit without higher tuition or more aid"

Avoid.

UCLA is a top university.

USC would be behind, with NYU.

Sunny is not even close to any of those 3.

USC and UCLA are pretty much peer schools.

Only CA residents who couldn't pay USC insist that.

No Berkeley is a peer school to UCLA.

NYU is a peer school to USC.

They are all similar in prestige.

Again USC outcome is better than UCLA which can translate to better brand and prestige in the real world.

+1. Real world outcomes are what families are looking for. Employers aren't splitting hairs between USC and UCLA.

$35,000 vs $90,000 isn't a hair.

Low income families under $80,000 HHI pay NOTHING for UCLA.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you REALLY think the quality of NYU relative to WUSTL/Emory changed by much from year to year based on what USNWR rankings say? Exh A as to why ranking colleges as a whole is worse than meaningless.

Most undergrads in the T100 are good. But I'm only willing to pay 300k for a name brand with strong ascending reputation. Is that NYU? That's what I'm asking.

Absolutely, schools like NYU, USC, and Northeastern will keep on rising.

USC is known as a school for those who couldn't get into its rival - UCLA. In terms of quality, location, and cost, many choose USC only after they were rejected by UCLA. I am inclined to think the same thing with NYU, US News ranked #35. It's an option for those who didn't make the cut at Stony Brook -- SUNY, US News ranked #58,

Not even funny.
Speaking of Sunny
https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/suny-deficit-hit-1-billion-future-aid-tuition-18580207.php

"SUNY warns of future $1B deficit without higher tuition or more aid"

Avoid.

UCLA is a top university.

USC would be behind, with NYU.

Sunny is not even close to any of those 3.

USC and UCLA are pretty much peer schools.

Only CA residents who couldn't pay USC insist that.

No Berkeley is a peer school to UCLA.

NYU is a peer school to USC.

They are all similar in prestige.

Again USC outcome is better than UCLA which can translate to better brand and prestige in the real world.

+1. Real world outcomes are what families are looking for. Employers aren't splitting hairs between USC and UCLA.

$35,000 vs $90,000 isn't a hair.

Low income families under $80,000 HHI pay NOTHING for UCLA.

UCLA
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?110662-University-of-California-Los-Angeles
Cost: $11,627
Earning: $79,826

USC
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?123961-University-of-Southern-California
Cost: $$25,972
Earning: $89,884

We are not low income family, and we picked USC with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

While I wouldn't go this far, I don't necessarily buy that students there are all that special. I work with too many Ivy alums to believe that now. And I have a number of friends from high school who went to Ivies and they all reported back that they had to work harder in high school than in college. Even though they were happy to be there and, presumably, like having the schools on their resumes, they all admitted that the hardest part was getting in. No sour grapes here. I wasn't interested and neither was my kid. Just an observation that many of us are not starry-eyed about Ivies. I don't doubt that there are some extraordinary kids there. I just don't believe that it's the majority.

I don't doubt PP's assessment . Obama said the most impressive thing about going to an ivy is that he's no longer impressed by an ivy degree in others.

Obama with his Columbia degree was able to go toe-to-toe with Bush Jr with his Yale resume. It was the voters who saw Obama as Bush Jr's equal Likewise, it's Probably the PP's employer who is seeing the value of the ivy creds on its payroll.

What are you smoking? Obama ran against McCain.

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Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

Value is different to different people.

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

While I wouldn't go this far, I don't necessarily buy that students there are all that special. I work with too many Ivy alums to believe that now. And I have a number of friends from high school who went to Ivies and they all reported back that they had to work harder in high school than in college. Even though they were happy to be there and, presumably, like having the schools on their resumes, they all admitted that the hardest part was getting in. No sour grapes here. I wasn't interested and neither was my kid. Just an observation that many of us are not starry-eyed about Ivies. I don't doubt that there are some extraordinary kids there. I just don't believe that it's the majority.

I don't doubt PP's assessment . Obama said the most impressive thing about going to an ivy is that he's no longer impressed by an ivy degree in others.

Obama with his Columbia degree was able to go toe-to-toe with Bush Jr with his Yale resume. It was the voters who saw Obama as Bush Jr's equal Likewise, it's Probably the PP's employer who is seeing the value of the ivy creds on its payroll.

What are you smoking? Obama ran against McCain.

McCain went to Naval Academy. See? Had Obama gone to Podunk U, could he have beaten McCain?

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Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

NYU Business or CS, etc. would be much more valuable in general vs Harvard English, Communications, etc.

However if you have a rich daddy and just want a tile, then Harvard English might be more valuable.

It all depends. Nothing special about NYU.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

NYU Business or CS, etc. would be much more valuable in general vs Harvard English, Communications, etc.

However if you have a rich daddy and just want a tile, then Harvard English might be more valuable.

It all depends. Nothing special about NYU.

The bold is true for any community college or bootcamp. A bootcamp certificate is more valuable than a Harvard communications degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

NYU Business or CS, etc. would be much more valuable in general vs Harvard English, Communications, etc.

However if you have a rich daddy and just want a tile, then Harvard English might be more valuable.

It all depends. Nothing special about NYU.

The bold is true for any community college or bootcamp. A bootcamp certificate is more valuable than a Harvard communications degree.

Not really. This is a common misunderstanding.
Successful bootcamp candidates have a 4 year college degree most of the time.
Would you take someone that has a psychology degree from a T100 college + bootcamp certification or
HS graduate worked at a Starbucks + bootcamp certifications.

The ones don't have a college degree have hard time landing a job just with a certification unless they can somehow show some special talent.

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

While I wouldn't go this far, I don't necessarily buy that students there are all that special. I work with too many Ivy alums to believe that now. And I have a number of friends from high school who went to Ivies and they all reported back that they had to work harder in high school than in college. Even though they were happy to be there and, presumably, like having the schools on their resumes, they all admitted that the hardest part was getting in. No sour grapes here. I wasn't interested and neither was my kid. Just an observation that many of us are not starry-eyed about Ivies. I don't doubt that there are some extraordinary kids there. I just don't believe that it's the majority.

I don't doubt PP's assessment . Obama said the most impressive thing about going to an ivy is that he's no longer impressed by an ivy degree in others.

Obama with his Columbia degree was able to go toe-to-toe with Bush Jr with his Yale resume. It was the voters who saw Obama as Bush Jr's equal Likewise, it's Probably the PP's employer who is seeing the value of the ivy creds on its payroll.

Well, he was General Studies so ... per the other thread on % of applicants submitting test scores, it is not quite as filled with high test scorers as Yale or the rest of Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you REALLY think the quality of NYU relative to WUSTL/Emory changed by much from year to year based on what USNWR rankings say? Exh A as to why ranking colleges as a whole is worse than meaningless.

Most undergrads in the T100 are good. But I'm only willing to pay 300k for a name brand with strong ascending reputation. Is that NYU? That's what I'm asking.

You are an idiot.

$300K could be a lot of money for you, but some people can handle that relatively easier.
If money is not much of an object, NYU is a great brand and choice.
Don't think everything at your level.

I personally think the system is wrong to charge significantly more for middle class.
It doesn't matter to rich people.

My comment has nothing at all to do with money. Thinking of U.S. colleges as "brand name" trinkets is idiotic and pedestrian.

I think you are backward.
Unlike many European leveled systems, US system is built as such.
Some colleges are considered much more elite, some schools have much better brand power(NYU Stern for example), etc. out of 3000+ 4 year schools.

Agree. Harvard’s president’s resignation was big news because the brand.

Perhaps, but Gay’s weak performance at the beginning of thde protests (she was absent) and the 50 incidences of plagiarism made it a world class story. Had she acted quickly when the first protests started at Harvard annd acted as a leader -which she is supposed to be - she could have had a powerful Impact of education in America. And perhaps time magazine if the year. But Instead she was a coward when things got ugly in campus and did not act the leader -and then her plagiarism stories came out

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Anonymous wrote:The US News ranking jumped the shark with its latest manipulations. It doesn't change what NYU is, a decently prestigious but pricey school in the heart of Manhattan.

There is no need to decide whether it's 22 or 32 or whatever.

US News is more accurate now than in the past.

No, it give more points to schools with more poorer students.
That's not accurate and a way to evaluate schools.

I don't care if students are poor or rich. I care quality of the students.

Define "quality of the students". If you mean high stats, the top universities don't only take students with the highest stats. Otherwise, my very high stats kid would be at a T10, but instead, DC is at a state flagship (and they are happy there).

The high quality sought after students are not always the one with high stats, meaning perfect score, tutors, the same extracurriculars that they all take. They want to see beyond that. What the student has done outside of high school independently, some unconventional pursuits that show what matters to them. Character, morals, the ability to work with people from all types of backgrounds.

I think these kids who get into the top Ivy schools are naturals. They are naturally intellectually curious and will go out of their way to satisfy that curiosity. They see something that needs fixing and they figure out how to help fix it. They aren’t having their parents decide everything for them, arranging tutors and activities that the parents think will get them in.

A lot of students had the very best education where everything was given to them, nothing in the way of them getting high stats. But it’s the kids with the “it” factor that are admitted. Intelligent but also there’s just something about them.

Wow. My experience with recent Ivy alumni is that they are incredibly insecure, having been told for so many years that they are the best of the best but can't understand why they have to work under people who graduated from ::gasp:: state schools. They are a nightmare to work with because they think by virtue of having attended HYP they have had special access to unlocking the secrets of the universe, when in fact they have been attending the same classes as everyone else but with richer classmates. So they act like everyone else is beneath them. And if they are legacies/athletes they are often less competent than others as they are getting by on the HYP name with no substance behind it.

While I wouldn't go this far, I don't necessarily buy that students there are all that special. I work with too many Ivy alums to believe that now. And I have a number of friends from high school who went to Ivies and they all reported back that they had to work harder in high school than in college. Even though they were happy to be there and, presumably, like having the schools on their resumes, they all admitted that the hardest part was getting in. No sour grapes here. I wasn't interested and neither was my kid. Just an observation that many of us are not starry-eyed about Ivies. I don't doubt that there are some extraordinary kids there. I just don't believe that it's the majority.

I don't doubt PP's assessment . Obama said the most impressive thing about going to an ivy is that he's no longer impressed by an ivy degree in others.

Obama with his Columbia degree was able to go toe-to-toe with Bush Jr with his Yale resume. It was the voters who saw Obama as Bush Jr's equal Likewise, it's Probably the PP's employer who is seeing the value of the ivy creds on its payroll.

Well, he was General Studies so ... per the other thread on % of applicants submitting test scores, it is not quite as filled with high test scorers as Yale or the rest of Columbia.

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

NYU Business or CS, etc. would be much more valuable in general vs Harvard English, Communications, etc.

However if you have a rich daddy and just want a tile, then Harvard English might be more valuable.

It all depends. Nothing special about NYU.

The bold is true for any community college or bootcamp. A bootcamp certificate is more valuable than a Harvard communications degree.

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not worth $75K, but everything in NYC is overpriced.

NYU is not special among many other privates for price.

+1

It's overpriced for what it is.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

NYU Business or CS, etc. would be much more valuable in general vs Harvard English, Communications, etc.

However if you have a rich daddy and just want a tile, then Harvard English might be more valuable.

It all depends. Nothing special about NYU.

Stern would be more valuable than Harvard English.

NYU does very well on Wall Street. If that's what people care about. It remains a prestige degree industry. And Stern does well.