PG County: Two Children Killed While Walking to Riverdale Elementary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Piecing together all of the various news stories this is the picture I have in my head.

A van that was likely a before/after care provider or transportation person turned off of East West Highway and onto Taylor Road which is a couple of short blocks from where this happened. There is a ton of traffic right there and it usually is backed up from all the other parents dropping off/picking up. The driver turned onto Riverdale Road and would have taken the next left to drop the kids off at the school. They were at the Taylor Road and Riverdale Road intersection and the female driver inadvertently hit the gas instead of the brake. Because the van is so high and heavy, it caused fatal injury.

The end result is the same, two children, Sky Sosa and Shalom Mbah lost their life in a tragic accident. I hope that someone sets up a Go Fund Me for their parents or a memorial fund and that all the posters in this thread donate to it.

Thanks for clarifying that the van driver was female?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is why the kids would have been killed and the adult not.

America needs to regulate the size of cars. Hoods are unnecessarily large because of the American obsession of "bigger is better". Military grade tanks actually have better visibility of a child than US SUVs.



https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visibility-than-a-ford-super-duty

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

You are arguing about "irresponsible" pedestrians on a thread about two children killed by a driver at a four way stop intersection next to an elementary school during arrival time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

You are incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

Do you know the driver? Or are you a reckless driver looking for validation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

I'm not the PP but if you watch the most recent press briefing, the Police Chief says clearly that the pedestrians were not at fault.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/children-struck-killed-walking-to-riverdale-elementary-identified/3476603/


Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

Do you know the driver? Or are you a reckless driver looking for validation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

I'm not the PP but if you watch the most recent press briefing, the Police Chief says clearly that the pedestrians were not at fault.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/children-struck-killed-walking-to-riverdale-elementary-identified/3476603/


Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

Do you know the driver? Or are you a reckless driver looking for validation?

I'm not the PP but if you watch the most recent press briefing, the Police Chief says clearly that the pedestrians were not at fault.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/children-struck-killed-walking-to-riverdale-elementary-identified/3476603/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

Do you know the driver? Or are you a reckless driver looking for validation?

I just have enough common sense to know when I don’t know something. Makes one of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

This thread is about a ten-year-old and a five-year-old who were killed next to their elementary school, during school arrival time, in a painted crosswalk, at an intersection with a four-way stop, by a driver who was turning left. Get out of here with your "no one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault" trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

This thread is about a ten-year-old and a five-year-old who were killed next to their elementary school, during school arrival time, in a painted crosswalk, at an intersection with a four-way stop, by a driver who was turning left. Get out of here with your "no one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault" trash.

If it's as clear cut as you say, that begs the question why the police aren't willing to say that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought pedestrians in crosswalks have the right of way at intersections without a light?

Yes, they do. Also, there are crosswalks at every intersection, even where there isn't any paint. The law treats crosswalks with paint and crosswalks without paint exactly the same, in terms of right of way.

But they don’t have the right to step into the street any time they want.

Drivers can’t read your mind.

Yes, pedestrian do have a right to step into a crosswalk at any time they want.

That's why drivers are supposed to obey the law, and stop at the crosswalk.

You are wrong on this. Drivers don’t have to anticipate negligence of pedestrians. And cars, trucks and buses can’t stop on a dime. Pedestrians do not have an unfettered right to step off a curb.

Just stop. This is not the place. As a PP pointed out, you are arguing about pedestrian negligence when two children walking WITH AN ADULT in a crosswalk at a 4-way intersection with a flashing light stop sign next to an elementary school during drop off were killed by someone turning left. Start a new thread for your pedestrian complaints.

This entire thread is nothing but baseless speculation and gossip. No one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault.

This thread is about a ten-year-old and a five-year-old who were killed next to their elementary school, during school arrival time, in a painted crosswalk, at an intersection with a four-way stop, by a driver who was turning left. Get out of here with your "no one knows if the pedestrians or the driver was at fault" trash.

The PG police chief told the Washington Post that:

1. They have video of the accident
2. The driver stayed on the scene, but the police did not take the driver into custody
3. The presence of a crossing guard would *not* have prevented the accident

Weird, right? Maybe we don't know all the answers yet.