Baltimore man wanted for murdering a tech CEO

[Anonymous]

Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so unbelievably tragic.

I wish every woman were required to read THE GIFT OF FEAR by Gavin de Becker before they went away to school. (I wish I had read it.) He so persuasively shows how predators exploit their victims' best qualities -- their kindness, compassion, idealism.

A woman could offer no greater cooperation to her soon-to-be attacker than to spend her time telling herself, “But he seems like such a nice man.” Yet this is exactly what many people do. A woman is waiting for an elevator, and when the doors open she sees a man inside who causes her apprehension. Since she is not usually afraid, it may be the late hour, his size, the way he looks at her, the rate of attacks in the neighborhood, an article she read a year ago—it doesn’t matter why. The point is, she gets a feeling of fear. How does she respond to nature’s strongest survival signal? She suppresses it, telling herself: “I’m not going to live like that, I’m not going to insult this guy by letting the door close in his face.” When the fear doesn’t go away, she tells herself not to be so silly, and she gets into the elevator. Now, which is sillier: waiting a moment for the next elevator, or getting into a soundproofed steel chamber with a stranger she is afraid of? The inner voice is wise, and part of my purpose in writing this book is to give people permission to listen to it.

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Caveat: she did NOTHING wrong. You should be able to open the door to a stranger and survive. It is heartbreaking that the world includes monsters like this guy.

You should always assume you won't. Shoulda woulda coulda.

This. Always act according to the world we live in, not the world you believe we should live in.

'

I'm the PP. VERY well said. Thank you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

This is unfortunately the truth these days. As women, we’re taught to watch our backs and trust our instincts. But also to always be nice and polite. And don’t do anything that could be construed as racist, like looking at this man and refusing him entry to her building. We receive so many contradictory messages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so unbelievably tragic.

I wish every woman were required to read THE GIFT OF FEAR by Gavin de Becker before they went away to school. (I wish I had read it.) He so persuasively shows how predators exploit their victims' best qualities -- their kindness, compassion, idealism.

A woman could offer no greater cooperation to her soon-to-be attacker than to spend her time telling herself, “But he seems like such a nice man.” Yet this is exactly what many people do. A woman is waiting for an elevator, and when the doors open she sees a man inside who causes her apprehension. Since she is not usually afraid, it may be the late hour, his size, the way he looks at her, the rate of attacks in the neighborhood, an article she read a year ago—it doesn’t matter why. The point is, she gets a feeling of fear. How does she respond to nature’s strongest survival signal? She suppresses it, telling herself: “I’m not going to live like that, I’m not going to insult this guy by letting the door close in his face.” When the fear doesn’t go away, she tells herself not to be so silly, and she gets into the elevator. Now, which is sillier: waiting a moment for the next elevator, or getting into a soundproofed steel chamber with a stranger she is afraid of? The inner voice is wise, and part of my purpose in writing this book is to give people permission to listen to it.

Link

Caveat: she did NOTHING wrong. You should be able to open the door to a stranger and survive. It is heartbreaking that the world includes monsters like this guy.

You should always assume you won't. Shoulda woulda coulda.

This. Always act according to the world we live in, not the world you believe we should live in.

+1 Very wise advice

[Anonymous]

I swear there is a subset of the population that just loves it when a tragedy like this happens because it just affirms their racist and hateful worldviews. Like literally you all seem to get off on it. How disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I swear there is a subset of the population that just loves it when a tragedy like this happens because it just affirms their racist and hateful worldviews. Like literally you all seem to get off on it. How disgusting.

I'm one of the PPs. It's not about race. I said the same about Kohberger in Idaho. As women, like it or not, we are extremely vulnerable because there are more than a few very disturbed, violent sociopaths who are living in our midst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a tragedy. There are many aspects of the criminal justice system that played into the suspect being on the street, including his suspended sentence for first-degree sexual assault, which the judge apparently did not agree with but relented out of respect for the victim who did not want to endure the trauma of testifying, and the "good-time credit" that allowed him to be released after serving only a portion of that already undeservedly short sentence.

Then there is the horrific crime the accused is alleged to have committed the week before this murder, which included breaking into a house in West Baltimore, duct-taping a couple, raping the women, and then setting the couple on fire, which was not even publicized. The crime was listed as an "arson." Basically, there was a dangerous criminal on the loose, but the police did not publicize that for reasons unknown.

The reason it wasn’t publicized is not ‘unknown.’ It was a poor black couple so it wasn’t deemed worthy of being publicized.

Signed,
A white Baltimore resident

I was the PP. That's what I thought too. It sounds like they are justifying the lack of information as respect for the victims (criminal past, living situation).Do you think there is anything to that? I mean, I don't care if they were career criminals; what happened to them was horrific.

Having read the details of what happened to them, I cannot fathom why the police did not notify the public that there was a deranged butcher on the lose. It is sickening. They were tortured and the police said nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a tragedy. There are many aspects of the criminal justice system that played into the suspect being on the street, including his suspended sentence for first-degree sexual assault, which the judge apparently did not agree with but relented out of respect for the victim who did not want to endure the trauma of testifying, and the "good-time credit" that allowed him to be released after serving only a portion of that already undeservedly short sentence.

Then there is the horrific crime the accused is alleged to have committed the week before this murder, which included breaking into a house in West Baltimore, duct-taping a couple, raping the women, and then setting the couple on fire, which was not even publicized. The crime was listed as an "arson." Basically, there was a dangerous criminal on the loose, but the police did not publicize that for reasons unknown.

The reason it wasn’t publicized is not ‘unknown.’ It was a poor black couple so it wasn’t deemed worthy of being publicized.

Signed,
A white Baltimore resident

I was the PP. That's what I thought too. It sounds like they are justifying the lack of information as respect for the victims (criminal past, living situation).Do you think there is anything to that? I mean, I don't care if they were career criminals; what happened to them was horrific.

Having read the details of what happened to them, I cannot fathom why the police did not notify the public that there was a deranged butcher on the lose. It is sickening. They were tortured and the police said nothing.

Their explanation, fwiw, at the press conference was that that was a targeted crime and they were looking for him, at times getting close, but did not believe he was committing random crimes. When they had the press conference @ warrant, he did disappear/go underground, becoming harder to catch, what they had tried to avoid initially. So, in hindsight, would have done differently. Would her actions have been different? Maybe/maybe not. Look that the middle aged Congresswoman who got in an elevator with a vagrant sleeping on the lobby floor. Pava had a lot of rhetoric about not personally or her company "criminalizing black bodies" so maybe she would not have been receptive to police messaging or aware of it earlier in the week. https://www.instagram.com/p/CBUGL9ihuit/?img_index=6 We can't know. It is very sad.

He's not all that unique, there are a lot of violent criminals in our midst and a vocal subset of people who want to abolish prisons. Do what you can to be safe and control what you can. Trust your instincts and teach your daughters to do the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so unbelievably tragic.

I wish every woman were required to read THE GIFT OF FEAR by Gavin de Becker before they went away to school. (I wish I had read it.) He so persuasively shows how predators exploit their victims' best qualities -- their kindness, compassion, idealism.

A woman could offer no greater cooperation to her soon-to-be attacker than to spend her time telling herself, “But he seems like such a nice man.” Yet this is exactly what many people do. A woman is waiting for an elevator, and when the doors open she sees a man inside who causes her apprehension. Since she is not usually afraid, it may be the late hour, his size, the way he looks at her, the rate of attacks in the neighborhood, an article she read a year ago—it doesn’t matter why. The point is, she gets a feeling of fear. How does she respond to nature’s strongest survival signal? She suppresses it, telling herself: “I’m not going to live like that, I’m not going to insult this guy by letting the door close in his face.” When the fear doesn’t go away, she tells herself not to be so silly, and she gets into the elevator. Now, which is sillier: waiting a moment for the next elevator, or getting into a soundproofed steel chamber with a stranger she is afraid of? The inner voice is wise, and part of my purpose in writing this book is to give people permission to listen to it.

Link

Caveat: she did NOTHING wrong. You should be able to open the door to a stranger and survive. It is heartbreaking that the world includes monsters like this guy.

You should always assume you won't. Shoulda woulda coulda.

This. Always act according to the world we live in, not the world you believe we should live in.

'

I'm the PP. VERY well said. Thank you

You’re welcome! I say this to my kids all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I swear there is a subset of the population that just loves it when a tragedy like this happens because it just affirms their racist and hateful worldviews. Like literally you all seem to get off on it. How disgusting.

NP here. I haven't posted but when previous posters wrote that women are pressured to smilingly give everyone the benefit of the doubt or be shamed as prejudiced hags, I agreed with much sadness. It isn't "hateful" to exercise basic street smarts and protect your own interests. We should be socializing our daughters to do more of this, not telling them no one will like them unless they do less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

You don't let anybody in without their own key. What "liberals" get mad about is when a black person has a key, gets in with a key but people call the cops on him because they think he stole the key.

You never let someone in just because.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear there is a subset of the population that just loves it when a tragedy like this happens because it just affirms their racist and hateful worldviews. Like literally you all seem to get off on it. How disgusting.

NP here. I haven't posted but when previous posters wrote that women are pressured to smilingly give everyone the benefit of the doubt or be shamed as prejudiced hags, I agreed with much sadness. It isn't "hateful" to exercise basic street smarts and protect your own interests. We should be socializing our daughters to do more of this, not telling them no one will like them unless they do less.

+1 100%. The debate over the Jordan Neely killing drove this home for me. I'm not talking about the discussion about the actual force used and whether that was justified, but there was significant pushback about whether it is reasonable to be frightened of a man who is speaking and behaving in a violent manner in a confined space. If you don't want random men screaming at you, invading your space, or if you feel remotely threatened by such behavior, you are a racist in many people's minds. At the time, I wrote about my own sexual assault at the hands of a black employee in by building who made me feel uncomfortable but from whom I was afraid to flee because I didn't want to seem racist. That was decades ago, and it's so much worse now. As another said, a refusal to open a door could be filmed and posted online with a title, "Racist Karen refuses neighbor access to building." We are gaslighted into believing that any instinct for self-preservation is an expression of privilege or racism, to the point where many women accept that relinquishing control of their own safety is an acceptable cost of living in a just world. It may be that protective actions like crossing the street, not allowing access to a building, or not getting on an elevator are unnecessary at times, and yes, they occasionally might also be hurtful to a good person with no intention of harming us. But I can attest that once you make the wrong decision and find yourself alone
and terrified with unwanted hands on your body, there's no turning back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

You don't let anybody in without their own key. What "liberals" get mad about is when a black person has a key, gets in with a key but people call the cops on him because they think he stole the key.

You never let someone in just because.

People visiting other apartments certainly do act offended when I decline to let them into our building. Women are socialized to prevent this reaction and remain pleasing to all people at all times. We are not supposed to say no to anyone, because that can draw censure. Young women care about approval a whole lot more than older ones... that's why you feel you have cause to try to "karen" us into submission.

We need to get back to normalizing the idea that no one gets in without a key/fob/escort and women aren't bad or rude or racist when they very rightly say no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such a tragedy. There are many aspects of the criminal justice system that played into the suspect being on the street, including his suspended sentence for first-degree sexual assault, which the judge apparently did not agree with but relented out of respect for the victim who did not want to endure the trauma of testifying, and the "good-time credit" that allowed him to be released after serving only a portion of that already undeservedly short sentence.

Then there is the horrific crime the accused is alleged to have committed the week before this murder, which included breaking into a house in West Baltimore, duct-taping a couple, raping the women, and then setting the couple on fire, which was not even publicized. The crime was listed as an "arson." Basically, there was a dangerous criminal on the loose, but the police did not publicize that for reasons unknown.

The reason it wasn’t publicized is not ‘unknown.’ It was a poor black couple so it wasn’t deemed worthy of being publicized.

Signed,
A white Baltimore resident

THIS^ Unfortunately, race still plays an enormous part on what people deem newsworthy, including on DCUM. This violent criminal made national news because the murdered victim was a young, white, woman. She did not deserve what happened to her any more than the young, Black woman who was raped, set on fire and left for dead. Yet for the news cycle and readers, only one was worth reporting by both police, news outlets, and interested readers. That's 'Merica.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

You don't let anybody in without their own key. What "liberals" get mad about is when a black person has a key, gets in with a key but people call the cops on him because they think he stole the key.

You never let someone in just because.

People visiting other apartments certainly do act offended when I decline to let them into our building. Women are socialized to prevent this reaction and remain pleasing to all people at all times. We are not supposed to say no to anyone, because that can draw censure. Young women care about approval a whole lot more than older ones... that's why you feel you have cause to try to "karen" us into submission.

We need to get back to normalizing the idea that no one gets in without a key/fob/escort and women aren't bad or rude or racist when they very rightly say no.

I agree, women are socialized to be polite.

I just disagree that there are viral videos of "Karens" not letting someone in who DOES NOT HAVE A KEY. It doesn't exist.