Baltimore man wanted for murdering a tech CEO

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It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

All the time on this very forum people explain if they just let the criminals do what they want and walk away, the victims will be fine. Oh, just let them take your wallet or car, not worth the risk. And if you don't let them, it's partly your fault for getting murdered.

This woman did what it seems are several things that most of us recognize are beyond stupid, so there are lessons to be learned. I guarantee not a single sensible person would let someone in who was knocking on their door who they didn't know, yet this woman did just that. Why? What the hell was she thinking? What was wrong with her thinking?

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

Her death is 100% the fault of the man who murdered and raped her, obviously.

Her father spoke of her going out and riding her bike around Tuscon in the middle of the night as a teen and similar. Would she have changed patterns re: walking and engaging with strangers if the police had put out an alert? Maybe, maybe not. We will never know and it's unfortunate that she did not have that information.

You keep trying to derail the thread with drama. There are common sense steps to take to reduce risk, they are not 100% and not taking them is a choice that may create opportunities for predators. Saying someone's skirt absolves someone of rape is victim blaming. Not opening the door to strangers and being aware someone is following you does not go to the guilt of the perpetrator, still 100%, but is situational awareness. Trying to say it does not matter only helps violent predators and may increase number of victims. We see your agenda, PP>

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

All the time on this very forum people explain if they just let the criminals do what they want and walk away, the victims will be fine. Oh, just let them take your wallet or car, not worth the risk. And if you don't let them, it's partly your fault for getting murdered.

This woman did what it seems are several things that most of us recognize are beyond stupid, so there are lessons to be learned. I guarantee not a single sensible person would let someone in who was knocking on their door who they didn't know, yet this woman did just that. Why? What the hell was she thinking? What was wrong with her thinking?

If you can’t discern the difference between prudent advice for getting out of a robbery or carjacking alive and prudent advice about how to avoid facilitating a home invasion murder, something may be wrong with your thinking.

A politicized search for something wrong in the thinking of a dead woman is pure opportunistic trash.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

Her death is 100% the fault of the man who murdered and raped her, obviously.

Her father spoke of her going out and riding her bike around Tuscon in the middle of the night as a teen and similar. Would she have changed patterns re: walking and engaging with strangers if the police had put out an alert? Maybe, maybe not. We will never know and it's unfortunate that she did not have that information.

You keep trying to derail the thread with drama. There are common sense steps to take to reduce risk, they are not 100% and not taking them is a choice that may create opportunities for predators. Saying someone's skirt absolves someone of rape is victim blaming. Not opening the door to strangers and being aware someone is following you does not go to the guilt of the perpetrator, still 100%, but is situational awareness. Trying to say it does not matter only helps violent predators and may increase number of victims. We see your agenda, PP>

I didn’t realize she was from Tucson but checking the Tucson news it says she went to Catalina high. Which means she was from the foothills. So riding her bike around at night or at dawn she would be extremely unlikely to en out er dangerous people . Coyotes yes, but she could outrun them on a bike. Lots of people ride bikes early morning in Tucson foothills because it you wait, it is too hot. So this isn’t really a sign that she was a risk taker.
It’s all very sad. Rest in peace, and my condolences to her family.

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It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

And here’s another thing she’s guilty of: being “woke.” Or bullheaded. Or whatever this observation that is actually an accusation is meant to convey.

Y’all are trash, just plain trash to be blaming this woman’s death on her in this way.

Her death is 100% the fault of the man who murdered and raped her, obviously.

Her father spoke of her going out and riding her bike around Tuscon in the middle of the night as a teen and similar. Would she have changed patterns re: walking and engaging with strangers if the police had put out an alert? Maybe, maybe not. We will never know and it's unfortunate that she did not have that information.

You keep trying to derail the thread with drama. There are common sense steps to take to reduce risk, they are not 100% and not taking them is a choice that may create opportunities for predators. Saying someone's skirt absolves someone of rape is victim blaming. Not opening the door to strangers and being aware someone is following you does not go to the guilt of the perpetrator, still 100%, but is situational awareness. Trying to say it does not matter only helps violent predators and may increase number of victims. We see your agenda, PP>

I didn’t realize she was from Tucson but checking the Tucson news it says she went to Catalina high. Which means she was from the foothills. So riding her bike around at night or at dawn she would be extremely unlikely to en out er dangerous people . Coyotes yes, but she could outrun them on a bike. Lots of people ride bikes early morning in Tucson foothills because it you wait, it is too hot. So this isn’t really a sign that she was a risk taker.
It’s all very sad. Rest in peace, and my condolences to her family.

I think any teen girl who often goes out alone in the middle of the night is someone who does not like to be constrained, it might fit with the entrepreneurial personality, who knows? But she was not known to be a cautious person, rather, someone who would talk to anyone per her friends and family. Unfortunately, Baltimore and predators are not the greatest match with those tendencies.

Be aware that when you are in an apt/condo/office/dorm, the door may be controlled by someone with a far different risk tolerance than you. Keep situational awareness up. It can be really common to let guard down in familiar environments.

Again, for those who are outraged that Billingsly was out in MD, know that under DC law he may have been out early too, due to his age at the time of his first offense. So do with that info what you will.

RIP, Pava. Hoping your family and friends can find some comfort in memories. In your honor I am re-reading The Gift of Fear.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

Clever, PP.

Even that Congresswoman, a middle aged mom, got into an elevator with a dangerous man. I think it can be easy to deny the instinct of discomfort and literally keep moving and become trapped. Luckily in the case of the Congresswoman, she had hot coffee in hand and the guy was a lot smaller and she knew she did not want to have him follow her to apartment door, so she reacted and got lucky.

Thanks for the reminder, I used to follow that practice in Adams Morgan but it's wise anywhere, when approaching car in garage, when approaching an elevator, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

Any statement that starts "She should" or "She should not" is victim blaming not discussion.

How about: "You are taking a risk if you open your door to a stranger. Only you can decide if the risk of opening your door to a stranger is worth taking that risk, especially if the stranger is a 6'4" man weighing approximately 300 lbs."

What door is stopping a 300 lb. 6' 4" man?

If you feel that way, then open your door.

Keep believing that a door stops a determined attacker.

What is the end point of your argument? No doors w/open doorways, or ???

That if someone targets you, a door is not going to stop them. This wasn't a crime of opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

Any statement that starts "She should" or "She should not" is victim blaming not discussion.

How about: "You are taking a risk if you open your door to a stranger. Only you can decide if the risk of opening your door to a stranger is worth taking that risk, especially if the stranger is a 6'4" man weighing approximately 300 lbs."

What door is stopping a 300 lb. 6' 4" man?

If you feel that way, then open your door.

Keep believing that a door stops a determined attacker.

What is the end point of your argument? No doors w/open doorways, or ???

That if someone targets you, a door is not going to stop them. This wasn't a crime of opportunity.

It’s absolutely was, as proven my him leaving the next time he came and wasn’t let in.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

How did teens in look confused if wearing ski masks?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

How did teens in look confused if wearing ski masks?

You should also ask how I understood they weren't going to ski or didn't have Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

How did teens in look confused if wearing ski masks?

Do you ever observe other people's body language and movements? You should try it. You'll learn a lot about their reactions and possible intentions.

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Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

Any statement that starts "She should" or "She should not" is victim blaming not discussion.

How about: "You are taking a risk if you open your door to a stranger. Only you can decide if the risk of opening your door to a stranger is worth taking that risk, especially if the stranger is a 6'4" man weighing approximately 300 lbs."

What door is stopping a 300 lb. 6' 4" man?

If you feel that way, then open your door.

Keep believing that a door stops a determined attacker.

What is the end point of your argument? No doors w/open doorways, or ???

That if someone targets you, a door is not going to stop them. This wasn't a crime of opportunity.

He followed her to the building. Then she was safely locked in and he was locked out. Until he beckoned her over and she opened the door and let him in. 2 days later he tried to get in again. That woman refused him entry and he left. So yes, crime of opportunity and door control did keep him out. You cannot be making your arguments in good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not victim-blaming to say that she made multiple mistakes. I live in a building with no security in DC, and my neighbors and I made similar mistakes in the past.
The most important thing is to look around way before you get to the front door. I'm surprised he didn't just try to enter with her because that's what happens 90% of the time. This summer I forgot to do it at night and saw teenagers wearing ski masks right behind my back. I told them I didn't have a key and left, while they just stood there looking confused. But there could have been a different outcome.
Pava was also going to sit in the lobby for a while, so I'm not sure why she took the elevator with him. My guess is that he tricked her again and asked to direct him to someone's apartment.

How did teens in look confused if wearing ski masks?

Do you ever observe other people's body language and movements? You should try it. You'll learn a lot about their reactions and possible intentions.

No one said they were not wearing large jackets to keep from being recognized. If they were, body language would be difficult or impossible to observe.