Baltimore man wanted for murdering a tech CEO

[Anonymous]

So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

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It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

LE said they were looking for him and did not think he posed a danger to the public since prior act was targeted. They did not want to publicly announce they were looking for him as it would make him harder to track, he'd go into hiding. Hindsight 20/20. Since he's been unemployed for a month and did maintenance at rooming house, dots to connect re: motive. Of course, the killing of Pava was more like his (known) initial rape, years ago. They likely were looking for him. I don't think this is one about race except possibly if Pava's anti-racism zeal caused her to open the door when a neighbor would not. Dude will hopefully never be out again. Tragic all around for all of his victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

[Anonymous]

Listen to the Mayor of Baltimore, DC City Council!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

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It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since DC Council limited landlord's ability to "look back" for only 7 years re: criminal convictions, are men like this (in DC parlance, "returning citizens") being given housing vouchers for middle class buildings on Connecticut, Wisconsin and elsewhere? I don't see a carve out for those on the sex offender registry?

https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/laws/21-259

How many other jurisdictions do the same? Or house potentially violent and dangerous people in hotels?

Your point/question is VERY worthwhile of discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Just be honest liberals, if the man were filming a video of him not being let into the building as a white woman walked by you'd blast her for being a racist Karen. Yet look at what she should have done. Not let in a strange man who happened to have brown skin into the building. She would have still been alive.

But in this day in age, being progressive takes over all common sense for self preservation and safety.

You don't let anybody in without their own key. What "liberals" get mad about is when a black person has a key, gets in with a key but people call the cops on him because they think he stole the key.

You never let someone in just because.

People visiting other apartments certainly do act offended when I decline to let them into our building. Women are socialized to prevent this reaction and remain pleasing to all people at all times. We are not supposed to say no to anyone, because that can draw censure. Young women care about approval a whole lot more than older ones... that's why you feel you have cause to try to "karen" us into submission.

We need to get back to normalizing the idea that no one gets in without a key/fob/escort and women aren't bad or rude or racist when they very rightly say no.

I agree, women are socialized to be polite.

I just disagree that there are viral videos of "Karens" not letting someone in who DOES NOT HAVE A KEY. It doesn't exist.

There may not be a video but at the moment of denial of entry, there's a grimace or an offended protest. I just turned 50 so I don't care anymore, but our daughters crumple and vow never to say no to anyone ever again.

Not my daughters

I hope not but recognize that you won't be the sole influence that informs her actions forever. We do need the larger public to stop shaming women for standing up for their needs because the teen and young woman years are mostly peer-and popular culture-influenced.

I agree but you said “crumple and vow never to say no” to that I disagree.

Also, we can’t expect anyone men or woman to always, every day of their life assess every.single.risk and always be right.

Sometime people are just in a hurry, or they don’t notice someone slip in behind them, or someone watching their fire.

We can’t put it all on girls making the right decision every.single.solitary.time. It’s untenable.

Not just girls. Anyone in a dorm, apartment bldg or condo building who goes in and out has the potential to let someone like this in. If they are not harmed directly, violent predators can lurk and attack someone else. You or your elderly mom could walk out in the hallway and be attacked by someone hiding in trash room, package room, etc., for example, or not seen on cameras if front desk is not 24/7 as most are not. Not clear if her building had a desk despite being a former hotel? We can't control other people or how vigilant the Door Dash delivery person is. This brings the risks of multifamily apt or condo or dorm living home. I've lived in rented housing with roommates who leave doors unlocked or windows open. A lot comes down to area (DC and Baltimore both higher crime) and unfortunately, luck. Many luxury buildings in Logan, at The Wharf, etc. have poor door control. Hotels are obviously a risk, too. Cameras documented for after the fact but are no replacement for front desk personnel, security who do walks, etc., which are much more limited these days.

Ted Bundy got one of his victims in the hallway of a populated hotel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Not guilty. Some were mistakes on her part - look at these as lessons for other young women. Not living in a city? Certainly not living in Baltimore might be smart

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

[Anonymous]

Interview with the man he set on fire

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12572983/Jason-Billingsleys-arson-victim-Jonte-Gilmore-forced-watch-girlfriend-tortured-raped-doused-liquid-set-ablaze.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Code not fire

???

It was for the post 2 up

What does "Code not fire" mean? He set 2 people on fire?

I’m still confused.

He killed the tech woman and set 2 other people on fire?

Yep. On different days

The facts re the couple who were set on fire (and the woman raped) are absolutely awful, yet for several days no one seemed to care until the tech woman was found killed. Nothing in the news. No sense of urgency. NOTHING. The family of the couple is criticizing the police and the man is saying perhaps the tech lady wouldn’t have been killed if the public had been warned. The couple is black. Tech lady, white.

This has been explained by the police. It's not a conspiracy.

I think their explanation is total horsesht, but the Black police officers weren't doing an internalized racism.

I never wrote or suggested it was a conspiracy? HUH?

But a black woman is brutally raped repeatedly, tied up, her neck slashed, and then beaten up (so she plays dead). A black man is duct taped tied up, beaten, has gasoline poured on him, set on fire, in the basement of a boarding house. A 5 year old kid is also in trapped in the burning house (no one says whose kid he is). They know who did its (because apparently the woman previously knew the suspect). Nothing on the news. No big deal. Two days later he kills the white tech lady, leaves her beaten to death on her roof, and she's not discovered for several more days. All this time, still nothing re first couple. Then this tech lady Forbes under 30 newsworthy person gets the attention and it's international news. She went to JHU. She's a CEO. She lives in this fancy old hotel in Baltimore. Not a boarding house.

The man in the couple and his family have given a few interviews, and they're complaining that the police didn't alert the public or make it urgent enough that it may have made a difference for the tech woman. And I agree. The couple and the kid are low income and black. No news. Until...

I thought the same thing, and I am white. I would like to see in detail how they searched for this guy between the attack on the family and the murder of the CEO. I can understand that they did not put it in the news not to alert the guy, although the crime was horrific and the fact that he knew the victims did not make him less dangerous, considering also his past history, so maybe they could have launched a public manhunt. if it comes out that they were looking for him but not with the urgency they looked for him after the CEO was killed it would be a serious problem. what he did to the family was depraved and clearly shows the guy is incredibly violent with no boundaries, he would have likely killed and raped again and if they did not acted quickly enough because they thought the killer would have stayed in the black and poor community, then it's a problem and things need to change. it's like the serial killer in long island. it was not that hard at the end to get him, but because the women disappearing were sex workers instead of Harvard and Yale white college students nobody cared too much for years.

Agree this would be good to know. They did make references to it at the press conference, I don't think they were doing nothing.

I'm not sure Pava would have heeded a warning, if she had even become aware of one.

Still floored that he came back again on Sunday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

Any statement that starts "She should" or "She should not" is victim blaming not discussion.

[Anonymous]

Those policies SHOULD be changed, as SHOULD similar policies in DC.

A neighbor encountered him on Sunday, almost 48 hours after the killing, trying to get access to the building. People SHOULD be encouraged to follow their instincts.

People SHOULD NOT allow unknown people into apartment buildings, dorms or office buildings. It's dangerous for you and for others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in this thread Pava has been found guilty of:

-not being in her guard
-not being street smart
-not shouting enough for help
-not taking an Uber
-living in a city
-living in an apartment


…I’m sure some of you will blame her clothes if photos are released. So gross

Of course Billingsly is 100% responsible for killing her. That does not mean that people should not discuss and take precautions re: personal safety given the world we live in.

You are gross for trying to derail the thread in some ideological "gotcha" moment.

Read The Gift of Fear everyone, and give it to your friends, neighbors, daughters and sons.

Any statement that starts "She should" or "She should not" is victim blaming not discussion.

How about: "You are taking a risk if you open your door to a stranger. Only you can decide if the risk of opening your door to a stranger is worth taking that risk, especially if the stranger is a 6'4" man weighing approximately 300 lbs."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those policies SHOULD be changed, as SHOULD similar policies in DC.

A neighbor encountered him on Sunday, almost 48 hours after the killing, trying to get access to the building. People SHOULD be encouraged to follow their instincts.

People SHOULD NOT allow unknown people into apartment buildings, dorms or office buildings. It's dangerous for you and for others.

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