Supreme Court Is Asked to Hear a New Admissions Case on Race

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kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

They do have Alg 1 in their course catalog.

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/reportPanel/503/10/0/0/0/1;title=reportPanelSideNav

And... Math 1 is basically geometry, which is typical material for above-averaged students in 8th grade.

Math 1 TJ HN (314351)

Grades 9

Credit one-half / weighted +0.5

Students will study geometric topics in depth, with a focus on building critical thinking and reasoning skills. Topics of study include inductive and deductive reasoning, understanding logic statements, writing proofs, parallel and perpendicular lines and their properties, congruent triangles and similarity, properties of triangles, quadrilaterals, and circles. The process standard focus will be reasoning.

Geometry is typical for students who are well above average in 8th grade. Algebra 1 is typical of students who are above average in 8th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

Yes, they are in remedial going over the concepts of Algebra 1. The student may have crafted a heartfelt and eloquent essay about life experiences; however, since there was no merit based entrance criteria to evaluate their grasp of algebra 1 concepts, it has to be addressed in remedial math instruction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

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They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

What are you smoking?

"Family values"? WTAF?

Please explain the "family values" comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

Yes, they are in remedial going over the concepts of Algebra 1. The student may have crafted a heartfelt and eloquent essay about life experiences; however, since there was no merit based entrance criteria to evaluate their grasp of algebra 1 concepts, it has to be addressed in remedial math instruction.

Are people still whining that there is no test they can pay thousands to get their kids prepped for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

Yes, they are in remedial going over the concepts of Algebra 1. The student may have crafted a heartfelt and eloquent essay about life experiences; however, since there was no merit based entrance criteria to evaluate their grasp of algebra 1 concepts, it has to be addressed in remedial math instruction.

This is false. Please provide evidence to the contrary, as you are asserting that such students exist.

Online campus courses, by the way, are open to students from other schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

They do have Alg 1 in their course catalog.

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/reportPanel/503/10/0/0/0/1;title=reportPanelSideNav

And... Math 1 is basically geometry, which is typical material for above-averaged students in 8th grade.

Math 1 TJ HN (314351)

Grades 9

Credit one-half / weighted +0.5

Students will study geometric topics in depth, with a focus on building critical thinking and reasoning skills. Topics of study include inductive and deductive reasoning, understanding logic statements, writing proofs, parallel and perpendicular lines and their properties, congruent triangles and similarity, properties of triangles, quadrilaterals, and circles. The process standard focus will be reasoning.

Geometry is typical for students who are well above average in 8th grade. Algebra 1 is typical of students who are above average in 8th grade.

TJ students should be "best of the best", not above average. Is is wrong?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

They do have Alg 1 in their course catalog.

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/reportPanel/503/10/0/0/0/1;title=reportPanelSideNav

And... Math 1 is basically geometry, which is typical material for above-averaged students in 8th grade.

Math 1 TJ HN (314351)

Grades 9

Credit one-half / weighted +0.5

Students will study geometric topics in depth, with a focus on building critical thinking and reasoning skills. Topics of study include inductive and deductive reasoning, understanding logic statements, writing proofs, parallel and perpendicular lines and their properties, congruent triangles and similarity, properties of triangles, quadrilaterals, and circles. The process standard focus will be reasoning.

Geometry is typical for students who are well above average in 8th grade. Algebra 1 is typical of students who are above average in 8th grade.

TJ students should be "best of the best", not above average. Is is wrong?

Even well above average is not right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

+1
They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

The only entitlement here is from some parents who feel that their kids are entitled to a seat at TJ.

No, no kid is entitled. There are far more qualified applicants than there are seats. The latest classes are hard-working, well-qualified students with higher average GPA than prior years.

You are fooling yourself.
Quota is unfair, and the motive is race-based.
What are you smoking btw?

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And they continue to fill the class with well-qualified, hard-working students - now from all over the region.

Not well-qualified. Students who still take geometry in 9th grade should not be considered "gifted in STEM".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

+1
They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

The only entitlement here is from some parents who feel that their kids are entitled to a seat at TJ.

No, no kid is entitled. There are far more qualified applicants than there are seats. The latest classes are hard-working, well-qualified students with higher average GPA than prior years.

You are fooling yourself.
Quota is unfair, and the motive is race-based.
What are you smoking btw?

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And they continue to fill the class with well-qualified, hard-working students - now from all over the region.

Not well-qualified. Students who still take geometry in 9th grade should not be considered "gifted in STEM".

Taking honors Algebra 1 in 8th and having an extremely high GPA is “well qualified”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

They do have Alg 1 in their course catalog.

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/reportPanel/503/10/0/0/0/1;title=reportPanelSideNav

And... Math 1 is basically geometry, which is typical material for above-averaged students in 8th grade.

Math 1 TJ HN (314351)

Grades 9

Credit one-half / weighted +0.5

Students will study geometric topics in depth, with a focus on building critical thinking and reasoning skills. Topics of study include inductive and deductive reasoning, understanding logic statements, writing proofs, parallel and perpendicular lines and their properties, congruent triangles and similarity, properties of triangles, quadrilaterals, and circles. The process standard focus will be reasoning.

Geometry is typical for students who are well above average in 8th grade. Algebra 1 is typical of students who are above average in 8th grade.

Seriously, even my home school has 5 to 10% of kids doing AP pre-calculus. Doing geometry in 9th grade is really average or below average.
TJ is wasting resources and duplicating what a regular home school offers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

+1
They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

The only entitlement here is from some parents who feel that their kids are entitled to a seat at TJ.

No, no kid is entitled. There are far more qualified applicants than there are seats. The latest classes are hard-working, well-qualified students with higher average GPA than prior years.

You are fooling yourself.
Quota is unfair, and the motive is race-based.
What are you smoking btw?

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And they continue to fill the class with well-qualified, hard-working students - now from all over the region.

Not well-qualified. Students who still take geometry in 9th grade should not be considered "gifted in STEM".

Taking honors Algebra 1 in 8th and having an extremely high GPA is “well qualified”.

Just above average. Obviously, you don't really know how good are the real "gifted" students in STEM.

[Anonymous]

There are always some people who just want the "gifted" label but don't want to learn the advanced material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

+1
They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

The only entitlement here is from some parents who feel that their kids are entitled to a seat at TJ.

No, no kid is entitled. There are far more qualified applicants than there are seats. The latest classes are hard-working, well-qualified students with higher average GPA than prior years.

You are fooling yourself.
Quota is unfair, and the motive is race-based.
What are you smoking btw?

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And they continue to fill the class with well-qualified, hard-working students - now from all over the region.

Not well-qualified. Students who still take geometry in 9th grade should not be considered "gifted in STEM".

Then go ahead and advocate that geometry in 8th is a prerequisite. But right now it's not, and it never has been except in the final years of the prior admissions process when it was a de facto requirement - nearly 95% of each incoming class was in geometry or above according to the Admissions Office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just build more TJs if so many students are interested.

The new building cost $100M to the taxpayers. Private capital filled it with equipment.

More funds than that amount was allocated each for building/expanding Herndon High, McLean High, and recent high schools. Constructing a new high school building isn't a significant obstacle. A stem high school stature isn't determined by its physical structure after all, but by the advanced curriculum offered and admitting highly capable students that can master it. Going by the yearly number of applications to TJ, it's evident that over 60% of interest in advanced STEM field comes from a single minority community: Asian Americans. Yet, there appears to be no political inclination to address the needs of this community. Asian Americans have been advocating for the establishment of TJ2 for several decades.

Democratic school board has betrayed the trust of Asian Americans by forcefully reducing their representation at TJ through elimination of merit based admission criteria. Glenn Youngkin is the sole individual who has openly aligned with the notion that lottery-based admissions have no relevance in advanced STEM fields.

+1
They just love free rides and entitlement. Destroying family values, hard work, and meritocracy.

The only entitlement here is from some parents who feel that their kids are entitled to a seat at TJ.

No, no kid is entitled. There are far more qualified applicants than there are seats. The latest classes are hard-working, well-qualified students with higher average GPA than prior years.

You are fooling yourself.
Quota is unfair, and the motive is race-based.
What are you smoking btw?

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And they continue to fill the class with well-qualified, hard-working students - now from all over the region.

Not well-qualified. Students who still take geometry in 9th grade should not be considered "gifted in STEM".

There is a lot more to STEM than math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

kids who entered in TJ Math 1 or its equivalent. It was an unacceptably small number, but those kids were selected by the old admissions process that you love to refer to as “merit-based”.

How do you know which of those kids wouldn’t have gotten in under the old process? They’re kids, not statistics.

Why is it unacceptably small? Why is it better to have 100+ kids taking algebra 1 in 8th grade vs less than 10?

Wait a minute. Does TJ really offer Algebra 1 in ninth grade?
My son's in middle schools has 71% Algebra 1 participation rate.
I thought TJ is for "STEM-gifted" students.
Does that mean TJ accepts the "bottom 29%" kid?

Shoutout for the "bottom 29%" gifted kids.

They said in 8th, not 9th. TJ has no students taking Alg 1 in ninth grade.

They do have Alg 1 in their course catalog.

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/reportPanel/503/10/0/0/0/1;title=reportPanelSideNav

And... Math 1 is basically geometry, which is typical material for above-averaged students in 8th grade.

Math 1 TJ HN (314351)

Grades 9

Credit one-half / weighted +0.5

Students will study geometric topics in depth, with a focus on building critical thinking and reasoning skills. Topics of study include inductive and deductive reasoning, understanding logic statements, writing proofs, parallel and perpendicular lines and their properties, congruent triangles and similarity, properties of triangles, quadrilaterals, and circles. The process standard focus will be reasoning.

Geometry is typical for students who are well above average in 8th grade. Algebra 1 is typical of students who are above average in 8th grade.

TJ students should be "best of the best", not above average. Is is wrong?

Even well above average is not right.

Sure it is. Geometry is at least two grade levels ahead of where 8th grade students typically are in the TJ catchment area. Algebra is a grade level ahead, to say nothing of Honors indications.

The goalposts are where they are. If you feel the need to move them, then advocate for them to be moved. But the standard at TJ has ALWAYS been a minimum of Algebra in 8th grade.