Supreme Court Is Asked to Hear a New Admissions Case on Race

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 74% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

However, the 4th Circuit did not and cannot review ANY findings of facts by the trial court (US District Court) including the finding of fact related to the discriminatory intent. Appellate courts can only review questions of law.

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Anonymous wrote:The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 74% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

However, the 4th Circuit did not and cannot review ANY findings of facts by the trial court (US District Court) including the finding of fact related to the discriminatory intent. Appellate courts can only review questions of law.

I'm taking this statement to mean "The School Board exchanged messages that indicated that they would prefer Asian numbers to go down", because otherwise your statement is valueless.

You're going to need to show your work on that. There is no communication that you can point to that indicates that School Board members were engaging in this action with the express intent of depressing the population of Asian students.

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

TJ students who went to Curie have confirmed it publicly. It's not up for discussion anymore whether it happened or not. It did.

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

DP here. I don’t have a published source for this, but I have a child who graduated from TJ and friends who taught there. Both my child and my teacher friends have told me that it was very common for students to memorize questions from tests and report them to their tutors so that the tutors could compile a bank of questions for the various classes. My friends who taught there told me about it a number of years before my child went there.

My teacher friends at TJ told me that they had learned from their students that different cultures have different models of what is considered “cheating.” Some of the actions that Americans consider “cheating” are not considered such by other world cultures, but are rather considered to be “collaborative learning.” Some cultures consider students working together to share what they know to be a stronger learning system than the model of expecting each student to do their own work. It’s just a different way of looking at the process of learning.

Some of the parents were open to the idea that you have to accept the rules of the country/culture where you are, and some were not. Some believed very strongly in the system they had grown up and been educated in and saw that as the best way for their own children to learn. To them, the idea of students memorizing questions and sharing with other was simply a good and efficient way to learn- they did not think of it as cheating. They had no intent to cheat, they only wanted their children to learn and do well in school.

Your narrative seems to change daily. One day, you present yourself as a champion of equity, and now you claim to have a child in TJ. However, you haven't provided any credible sources to support your conspiracy theories, relying instead on repetitive mentions of test buying, cheating, Curie, and the like.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. Your comments, such as "accept the rule of country/culture where you are," demonstrate a xenophobic attitude, targeting American-born citizens based on their ethnicity. Asian Americans are just as American as anyone else, and individuals like you have no authority to dictate how much of their ethnic culture they should embrace. Your relentless fixation on Asian American students and your distorted explanations for their success in competitive STEM schools reveal a disturbing level of racism.

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

DP here. I don’t have a published source for this, but I have a child who graduated from TJ and friends who taught there. Both my child and my teacher friends have told me that it was very common for students to memorize questions from tests and report them to their tutors so that the tutors could compile a bank of questions for the various classes. My friends who taught there told me about it a number of years before my child went there.

My teacher friends at TJ told me that they had learned from their students that different cultures have different models of what is considered “cheating.” Some of the actions that Americans consider “cheating” are not considered such by other world cultures, but are rather considered to be “collaborative learning.” Some cultures consider students working together to share what they know to be a stronger learning system than the model of expecting each student to do their own work. It’s just a different way of looking at the process of learning.

Some of the parents were open to the idea that you have to accept the rules of the country/culture where you are, and some were not. Some believed very strongly in the system they had grown up and been educated in and saw that as the best way for their own children to learn. To them, the idea of students memorizing questions and sharing with other was simply a good and efficient way to learn- they did not think of it as cheating. They had no intent to cheat, they only wanted their children to learn and do well in school.

DP. This is an excellent and measured perspective and I appreciate you sharing it with us.

Ordinarily, there isn't anything wrong with doing exactly what you described. The problem in this particular instance is that the exam in question (the Quant-Q) was selected for use in the TJ admissions process for two reasons:

1) It is an excellent exam for diagnosing a student's native ability to quickly solve multi-layered problems of types that they've never seen before without relying on advanced levels of math;

2) It is (in theory) a secured exam, meaning that students should not have been exposed to its very unique problem types prior to sitting for the exam.

I've seen it. It's a fantastic exam, and I know that it exists in multiple forms because I've seen it over the course of several years. Each student who sits for it doesn't see the same (I think) 30 problems... I would bet that they probably have a bank of hundreds or thousands of such problems. And it's a phenomenal tool for identifying strong problem solvers... UNLESS the students sitting for the exam have seen problems of its specific type before and have been taught how to deal with them. If they have, the Quant-Q doesn't become just useless; it becomes obscurative and will cause the process to select the wrong students.

Who would you rather bring in to solve a seemingly impossible programming challenge that no one else can figure out; the person who has been taught thousands of solutions to pre-existing problems or the person who figured out the solutions to those problems on their own?

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

DP here. I don’t have a published source for this, but I have a child who graduated from TJ and friends who taught there. Both my child and my teacher friends have told me that it was very common for students to memorize questions from tests and report them to their tutors so that the tutors could compile a bank of questions for the various classes. My friends who taught there told me about it a number of years before my child went there.

My teacher friends at TJ told me that they had learned from their students that different cultures have different models of what is considered “cheating.” Some of the actions that Americans consider “cheating” are not considered such by other world cultures, but are rather considered to be “collaborative learning.” Some cultures consider students working together to share what they know to be a stronger learning system than the model of expecting each student to do their own work. It’s just a different way of looking at the process of learning.

Some of the parents were open to the idea that you have to accept the rules of the country/culture where you are, and some were not. Some believed very strongly in the system they had grown up and been educated in and saw that as the best way for their own children to learn. To them, the idea of students memorizing questions and sharing with other was simply a good and efficient way to learn- they did not think of it as cheating. They had no intent to cheat, they only wanted their children to learn and do well in school.

Your narrative seems to change daily. One day, you present yourself as a champion of equity, and now you claim to have a child in TJ. However, you haven't provided any credible sources to support your conspiracy theories, relying instead on repetitive mentions of test buying, cheating, Curie, and the like.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. Your comments, such as "accept the rule of country/culture where you are," demonstrate a xenophobic attitude, targeting American-born citizens based on their ethnicity. Asian Americans are just as American as anyone else, and individuals like you have no authority to dictate how much of their ethnic culture they should embrace. Your relentless fixation on Asian American students and your distorted explanations for their success in competitive STEM schools reveal a disturbing level of racism.

DP. It was a rather polite way of putting things. Not sure if you disagree as to the substance or just to the generous characterization.

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Your narrative seems to change daily. One day, you present yourself as a champion of equity, and now you claim to have a child in TJ. However, you haven't provided any credible sources to support your conspiracy theories, relying instead on repetitive mentions of test buying, cheating, Curie, and the like.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. Your comments, such as "accept the rule of country/culture where you are," demonstrate a xenophobic attitude, targeting American-born citizens based on their ethnicity. Asian Americans are just as American as anyone else, and individuals like you have no authority to dictate how much of their ethnic culture they should embrace. Your relentless fixation on Asian American students and your distorted explanations for their success in competitive STEM schools reveal a disturbing level of racism.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. This needs to stop now!

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

TJ students who went to Curie have confirmed it publicly. It's not up for discussion anymore whether it happened or not. It did.

I know it's been covered a thousand times here, but they want to cover it up and pretend it was "merit" under the old system when in fact it was about who could afford to prep.

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

DP here. I don’t have a published source for this, but I have a child who graduated from TJ and friends who taught there. Both my child and my teacher friends have told me that it was very common for students to memorize questions from tests and report them to their tutors so that the tutors could compile a bank of questions for the various classes. My friends who taught there told me about it a number of years before my child went there.

My teacher friends at TJ told me that they had learned from their students that different cultures have different models of what is considered “cheating.” Some of the actions that Americans consider “cheating” are not considered such by other world cultures, but are rather considered to be “collaborative learning.” Some cultures consider students working together to share what they know to be a stronger learning system than the model of expecting each student to do their own work. It’s just a different way of looking at the process of learning.

Some of the parents were open to the idea that you have to accept the rules of the country/culture where you are, and some were not. Some believed very strongly in the system they had grown up and been educated in and saw that as the best way for their own children to learn. To them, the idea of students memorizing questions and sharing with other was simply a good and efficient way to learn- they did not think of it as cheating. They had no intent to cheat, they only wanted their children to learn and do well in school.

Your narrative seems to change daily. One day, you present yourself as a champion of equity, and now you claim to have a child in TJ. However, you haven't provided any credible sources to support your conspiracy theories, relying instead on repetitive mentions of test buying, cheating, Curie, and the like.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. Your comments, such as "accept the rule of country/culture where you are," demonstrate a xenophobic attitude, targeting American-born citizens based on their ethnicity. Asian Americans are just as American as anyone else, and individuals like you have no authority to dictate how much of their ethnic culture they should embrace. Your relentless fixation on Asian American students and your distorted explanations for their success in competitive STEM schools reveal a disturbing level of racism.

DP. It might surprise you to know that there are several people on this board who are all very supportive of the new admissions process and agree with the premise that the old one needed to change because it wasn't doing its job properly.

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The Fairfax County School Board members exchanged messages saying that Asian numbers should go down... The US District Court found as a matter of factual finding that the school system had racially discriminatory intent (messages) and that 'disparate impact' (Asian students going from about 73% to 54%) was established and ruled the new admission system unconstitutional as being discriminatory against Asians.

Does the amicus brief mention the Asian student suppression from 73% to 54%? Link?

yes, it does. But I cant find the link at the moment. It is signed by 20 state Attorney Generals, that empathically call out and ask the highest court to reject the Asian American suppression at schools across America.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-170/280287/20230922163615622_23-170%20Coalition%20for%20TJ%20v.%20FCSB%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Virginia%20and%2020%20Other%20States_final.pdf

The whole 1.5% quota idea was invented to reduce the Asian American students being admitted into TJ. This 1.5% notion doesn't hold water because the bottom five FCPS schools scoff at the unsolicited TJ offers being thrown their way, given that their schools provide little to no preparation for success in basic honors classes, let alone coping with the demanding rigor of TJ.

It was well known that "Asian-American applicants are differently situated because they disproportionately attend a handful of gifted centers that have disproportionately high percentages of eligible applicants. These centers draw middle-school students from multiple schools who have scored highly on aptitude tests and offer them advanced classes. The 1.5% set-aside thus “disproportionately forces Asian-American students to compete against more eligible and interested applicants” attending these top gifted centers, rather than competing against all students."

That's complete nonsense. It was invented to allow all students to participate rather than just those at the wealthy schools who invest heavily in prep and test buying to-game admissions. Further, the largest beneficiary of this change was low-income Asian families.

So true before the change 80% of the students came from the same 3 schools where the kids all attended places like Cuire for years to give the illusion of giftedness, but now actual gifted kids from less affluent school are getting in. This drives many of the elitists crazy but it's good that more of the county is able to participate in these programs not just children of the wealthy.

This Curie hating fool may never grasp how repeated mentioning of their name actually contributes to the promotion of the Curie brand.

Weren’t the Curie kids mostly Indian students from Loudoun? The hater just conflates everything they didn’t like about TJ to fit a particular narrative.

They were entirely South Asian students (to include a few Pakistani and Bangladeshi). Most were from Loudoun and western Fairfax, with a few exceptions. Curie students constituted over 70% of the Indian students in the Class of 2024… something we know only because they took the mind-blowing step of publishing the students’ first and last names.

Publishing the names of top performers in national and statewide exams is a common practice worldwide, including FCPS which discloses the names of its National Merit Semifinalists, with students first and last name. Many of those student names are of Asian origin. If Curie is confident in its enrichment program and shares the names of its meritorious students with their consent, how is it different from what FCPS does?
It appears you hold negative bias against South Asians, Indians, and Curie. This encompasses nearly two billion people, or roughly 1 in 4 individuals on planet Earth. That's a lot of heavy hate to harbor. Is there truly nothing positive you can say about even a single asian american student?

Students who paid for advanced copies of the test questions seem more dishonest than meritorious.

Advanced copies of Quant-Q and Act Aspire stem tests?

They had been conducting exit interviews of students after taking these tests in order to compile a question bank. Some claimed that it was so good that they had even seen many of the same questions ahead of time.

You have been spinning this conspiracy theory against asian americans without a shred of evidence. Is there a single published source for these racist lies?

DP here. I don’t have a published source for this, but I have a child who graduated from TJ and friends who taught there. Both my child and my teacher friends have told me that it was very common for students to memorize questions from tests and report them to their tutors so that the tutors could compile a bank of questions for the various classes. My friends who taught there told me about it a number of years before my child went there.

My teacher friends at TJ told me that they had learned from their students that different cultures have different models of what is considered “cheating.” Some of the actions that Americans consider “cheating” are not considered such by other world cultures, but are rather considered to be “collaborative learning.” Some cultures consider students working together to share what they know to be a stronger learning system than the model of expecting each student to do their own work. It’s just a different way of looking at the process of learning.

Some of the parents were open to the idea that you have to accept the rules of the country/culture where you are, and some were not. Some believed very strongly in the system they had grown up and been educated in and saw that as the best way for their own children to learn. To them, the idea of students memorizing questions and sharing with other was simply a good and efficient way to learn- they did not think of it as cheating. They had no intent to cheat, they only wanted their children to learn and do well in school.

Your narrative seems to change daily. One day, you present yourself as a champion of equity, and now you claim to have a child in TJ. However, you haven't provided any credible sources to support your conspiracy theories, relying instead on repetitive mentions of test buying, cheating, Curie, and the like.

Accusing Asian American learning culture of being rooted in cheating is deeply offensive and racist. Your comments, such as "accept the rule of country/culture where you are," demonstrate a xenophobic attitude, targeting American-born citizens based on their ethnicity. Asian Americans are just as American as anyone else, and individuals like you have no authority to dictate how much of their ethnic culture they should embrace. Your relentless fixation on Asian American students and your distorted explanations for their success in competitive STEM schools reveal a disturbing level of racism.

Agree, but the PP seems to have gone out of their way to expressly avoid doing that... you implying that PP made this accusation seems quite disingenuous.

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I think this thread has served its purpose.