In-bounds verification

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed that people doing this can’t just own up that it’s fraud. It’s some kind of big narcissism both to do this AND claim it’s not lying on the forms. Like you want to be entitled to lie but not be called a liar. I guess because the fact that you can lie and likelu not get csught makes you believe it is not actually a lie?

I don't do this and never would. But what makes it not fraud isn't that you might not get caught. You might not get caught committing residency fraud, and it would still be fraud. What makes it not residency fraud is that DC does not consider it residency fraud. Try calling up the residency fraud hotline and ask!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed that people doing this can’t just own up that it’s fraud. It’s some kind of big narcissism both to do this AND claim it’s not lying on the forms. Like you want to be entitled to lie but not be called a liar. I guess because the fact that you can lie and likelu not get csught makes you believe it is not actually a lie?

I don't do this and never would. But what makes it not fraud isn't that you might not get caught. You might not get caught committing residency fraud, and it would still be fraud. What makes it not residency fraud is that DC does not consider it residency fraud. Try calling up the residency fraud hotline and ask!

it is *lying on the form* that is the issue. I agree it is not the same as being out of state. but if you think you can provide a false address on a govt form to get an address-based benefit and that’s not a crime, you’re just being stupid. if that’s true we could all just write in a NW PO box for school.

[Anonymous]

No way. You can't just write in a random NW address. Nonsense.

You need the right residency docs to enroll in-boundary: a recent utilities bill in your name linking you to an in-boundary address and proof of withholding at that address. If you're investigated for DCPS residency fraud, you need more, 3 years of certified DC tax returns linking you to the address at a minimum. How do I know this? I was investigated when divorcing five years ago, after my ex had moved to MD. I brought in the tax returns to the DCPS residency fraud office in NW (I was given several days to secure the returns, not more) and was cleared on the spot, with a letter sent to the principal of my kid's DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way. You can't just write in a random NW address. Nonsense.

You need the right residency docs to enroll in-boundary: a recent utilities bill in your name linking you to an in-boundary address and proof of withholding at that address. If you're investigated for DCPS residency fraud, you need more, 3 years of certified DC tax returns linking you to the address at a minimum. How do I know this? I was investigated when divorcing five years ago, after my ex had moved to MD. I brought in the tax returns to the DCPS residency fraud office in NW (I was given several days to secure the returns, not more) and was cleared on the spot, with a letter sent to the principal of my kid's DCPS.

Excellent.

Good to hear that they are cracking down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed that people doing this can’t just own up that it’s fraud. It’s some kind of big narcissism both to do this AND claim it’s not lying on the forms. Like you want to be entitled to lie but not be called a liar. I guess because the fact that you can lie and likelu not get csught makes you believe it is not actually a lie?

I don't do this and never would. But what makes it not fraud isn't that you might not get caught. You might not get caught committing residency fraud, and it would still be fraud. What makes it not residency fraud is that DC does not consider it residency fraud. Try calling up the residency fraud hotline and ask!

it is *lying on the form* that is the issue. I agree it is not the same as being out of state. but if you think you can provide a false address on a govt form to get an address-based benefit and that’s not a crime, you’re just being stupid. if that’s true we could all just write in a NW PO box for school.

The lie isn't material to the benefit, as DC sees the benefit. You can easily change the address for your pay stub and use that, but if you're caught, your kid will get kicked out of their school. Plus, who wants to tell their kid to lie about where they live?

[Anonymous]

Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

[Anonymous]

Why would your kid need to lie about where they live? My kid has friends who don’t live in bounds (they don’t lie about where they live or change the subject so I know where they live) and I assume they lotteried in or used to live in bounds. Are people really out there trying to figure these things out about other people? If so, mind your business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

Why do I get the feeling that you’re one of the trash, entitled families that not only lies to get into our “better” Hill elementary school, but then also proceeds to act like you own the place and get to push everyone around once you get there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

DCPS is investing a ton of money in a brand new renovation of JO Wilson (basically a brand new school -- they are utilizing the existing superstructure and foundation but nothing else). Time will tell if it convinces any of the people in $1.5million (or more) row houses to send their kids there instead of Two Rivers. But at least in that case, I think it's very hard to argue that DCPS is not making the investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would your kid need to lie about where they live? My kid has friends who don’t live in bounds (they don’t lie about where they live or change the subject so I know where they live) and I assume they lotteried in or used to live in bounds. Are people really out there trying to figure these things out about other people? If so, mind your business.

No shortage of busybody parents of little kids on CH, where my spouse and I have lived for 30 years, particularly in the school communities for the most desirable in-boundary elementary schools (read Brent, Maury, maybe Ludlow).

Just look at the responses to posts that do no more than explain where the boundary "fudging" phenomenon/mentality originates. PPs are called "trash" for their explanations on the assumption that they're boundary cheaters (good chance that they aren't).

We're OOB for Brent, living a couple blocks outside the boundary in NE. We lotteried in late in the game. I find it useful not to talk about where we live w/IB Brent parents.

The harsh reality is that many of the Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools are still fine for ECE and maybe 1st and 2nd grade. But by around 3rd grade high performing kids tend to get bored, there are too many disruptive kids in class, teachers and admins don't always treat white and Asian parents well. Raise issues of concern with teachers and admins, however politely and legitimately, and you may well be treated like an entitled pest.

We know parents who've bailed from JO Wilson, Payne, Watkins and Miner in the lower grades, thrilled to land at thoroughly gentrified Brent, Maury, Ludlow. Who know, maybe some of them are...egad, boundary cheaters owning two Hill houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

DCPS is investing a ton of money in a brand new renovation of JO Wilson (basically a brand new school -- they are utilizing the existing superstructure and foundation but nothing else). Time will tell if it convinces any of the people in $1.5million (or more) row houses to send their kids there instead of Two Rivers. But at least in that case, I think it's very hard to argue that DCPS is not making the investment.

We've heard this story before. Miner had a fancy complete renovation a decade back, when we were living on the East Hill. Has Miner, which tends to have a new principal every year or two, attracted a good cohort of gentrifiers past 2nd grade? No.

What a DCPS ES needs to draw in high SES families is stable leadership prepared to lobby to meet the needs of most in-boundary families. Absent that, forget it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would your kid need to lie about where they live? My kid has friends who don’t live in bounds (they don’t lie about where they live or change the subject so I know where they live) and I assume they lotteried in or used to live in bounds. Are people really out there trying to figure these things out about other people? If so, mind your business.

No shortage of busybody parents of little kids on CH, where my spouse and I have lived for 30 years, particularly in the school communities for the most desirable in-boundary elementary schools (read Brent, Maury, maybe Ludlow).

Just look at the responses to posts that do no more than explain where the boundary "fudging" phenomenon/mentality originates. PPs are called "trash" for their explanations on the assumption that they're boundary cheaters (good chance that they aren't).

We're OOB for Brent, living a couple blocks outside the boundary in NE. We lotteried in late in the game. I find it useful not to talk about where we live w/IB Brent parents.

The harsh reality is that many of the Ward 6 DCPS elementary schools are still fine for ECE and maybe 1st and 2nd grade. But by around 3rd grade high performing kids tend to get bored, there are too many disruptive kids in class, teachers and admins don't always treat white and Asian parents well. Raise issues of concern with teachers and admins, however politely and legitimately, and you may well be treated like an entitled pest.

We know parents who've bailed from JO Wilson, Payne, Watkins and Miner in the lower grades, thrilled to land at thoroughly gentrified Brent, Maury, Ludlow. Who know, maybe some of them are...egad, boundary cheaters owning two Hill houses.

what does any of this have to do with fraud? you seem unclear on the concept. as entitled as you apparently believe you are, that does not change the fact that you’re making false statements on a government form that asks you to attest to your truthful answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

DCPS is investing a ton of money in a brand new renovation of JO Wilson (basically a brand new school -- they are utilizing the existing superstructure and foundation but nothing else). Time will tell if it convinces any of the people in $1.5million (or more) row houses to send their kids there instead of Two Rivers. But at least in that case, I think it's very hard to argue that DCPS is not making the investment.

We've heard this story before. Miner had a fancy complete renovation a decade back, when we were living on the East Hill. Has Miner, which tends to have a new principal every year or two, attracted a good cohort of gentrifiers past 2nd grade? No.

What a DCPS ES needs to draw in high SES families is stable leadership prepared to lobby to meet the needs of most in-boundary families. Absent that, forget it.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

DCPS is investing a ton of money in a brand new renovation of JO Wilson (basically a brand new school -- they are utilizing the existing superstructure and foundation but nothing else). Time will tell if it convinces any of the people in $1.5million (or more) row houses to send their kids there instead of Two Rivers. But at least in that case, I think it's very hard to argue that DCPS is not making the investment.

Have you ever been asked by DCPS about what sort of investment you'd like them to make in JO Wilson or any other program? It's very hard to argue that DCPS gives a hoot what IB parents want. If you doubt this, try to booking after-school Mathansium sessions for your kid at their center on Penn. Ave SE between 6th and 7th. They're mostly booked up weeks in advance because math instruction in DCPS leaves a lot to be desired, even at the in-demand schools the boundary cheaters go for. The only real challenge my kids have had in math has come from Mathnasium, IXL and Khan Academy, not their Ward 6 DCPS school (where poor kids are represented in the single digits).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact is that if you own a residential property, get utilities bills in your name there, file DC taxes there and collect mail there regularly, you can use the address to enroll your kid in a DCPS school. No obligation to get on a megaphone to fellow parents shouting about where you sleep. No need to respond to attempts to shame you for fraud. You don't need to train your kid to lie about where you live. Train them to change the subject instead. To pull it off, you can rent out the place discretely, but need moxie and discretion to pull it off. We know CH families who've done just that for many years. Other parents tend to assume they got spots at the schools where they enrolled through the lottery. Did the boundary cheaters feel guilty? I doubt it. Where DCPS is happy to have families buying 1.5 million $ 3-BR houses where by-right elementary schools stink in the upper grades, e.g. Watkins, Payne, Miner and JO Wilson, some parents are going to get resourceful without guilt, shame or fear. It also happens in NYC. Don't like it? Too bad. Please move to the burbs where boundary cheaters are v. rare because almost all neighborhood elementary schools are acceptable to UMC families.

DCPS is investing a ton of money in a brand new renovation of JO Wilson (basically a brand new school -- they are utilizing the existing superstructure and foundation but nothing else). Time will tell if it convinces any of the people in $1.5million (or more) row houses to send their kids there instead of Two Rivers. But at least in that case, I think it's very hard to argue that DCPS is not making the investment.

LMAO if you think the building is going to make a difference.