In-bounds verification

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Anonymous wrote:We've lived in Ward 6 for 25 years and know half a dozen families who've done this sort of thing for access to Brent, Maury and/or Stuart Hobson. They started out in 1 or 2-BR houses in-bounds for those schools (now rentals), then moved to larger houses IB for schools with few or no high SES families in the upper ES grades or MS. It's easy to say, "what a hassle!" from Upper NW, where there are a bunch of high-performing neighborhood elementary schools and Deal. Everybody family in Ward 6 without access to a decent by-right ES doesn't want to to go private, move to the burbs or go charter (mainly due to hassle-filled charter commutes in bad traffic).

DCPS actually permits you to stay in the school until the terminal grade if you move within DC, so what you describe (moving from the house where you started IB) is not fraud.

+1. Also, PP, not everyone needs a security clearance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've lived in Ward 6 for 25 years and know half a dozen families who've done this sort of thing for access to Brent, Maury and/or Stuart Hobson. They started out in 1 or 2-BR houses in-bounds for those schools (now rentals), then moved to larger houses IB for schools with few or no high SES families in the upper ES grades or MS. It's easy to say, "what a hassle!" from Upper NW, where there are a bunch of high-performing neighborhood elementary schools and Deal. Everybody family in Ward 6 without access to a decent by-right ES doesn't want to to go private, move to the burbs or go charter (mainly due to hassle-filled charter commutes in bad traffic).

DCPS actually permits you to stay in the school until the terminal grade if you move within DC, so what you describe (moving from the house where you started IB) is not fraud.

+1. Also, PP, not everyone needs a security clearance.

what people are describing here (never living in the property at all) IS fraud though.

[Anonymous]

The answer to what happens is that if you are actually committing residency fraud - as in, you don't live in DC - that's a problem legally. There are penalties.

If you do live in DC, but not in boundary, your kid doesn't get to keep attending the school. But there are no legal penalties, because you are not committing residency fraud. Residency fraud means something specific legally. Going to one school over another within the same school district is not defrauding the government of DC out of money.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The truth is, nobody is paying attention. There are lots of people who live in Maryland enrolled in DC schools. At least you're a DC taxpayer.

True I’m in Montgomery and the DC tag parents drop their high school kids off at the bus stop by me every day. So Montgomery isn’t watching either.

[Anonymous]

Please, every last DC parent doesn’t need a govt security clearance. Moreover, it’s legal for spouses to maintain separate residences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer to what happens is that if you are actually committing residency fraud - as in, you don't live in DC - that's a problem legally. There are penalties.

If you do live in DC, but not in boundary, your kid doesn't get to keep attending the school. But there are no legal penalties, because you are not committing residency fraud. Residency fraud means something specific legally. Going to one school over another within the same school district is not defrauding the government of DC out of money.

the legal consequences come from lying on the form.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

you’re making this up. the form asks you to list your residence which means the place you actually live.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

you’re making this up. the form asks you to list your residence which means the place you actually live.

You are affirming that your residence - the place you actually live - is in DC. The benefit you are getting is going to public school in DC. You lying about you address, if you are a DC resident, is not getting that benefit, because you were already legally entitled to it. Can you find any person who has been fined or jailed for your interpretation of this?

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No, they can’t because nobody has. It’s. BS threat.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they can’t because nobody has. It’s. BS threat.

100%

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

you’re making this up. the form asks you to list your residence which means the place you actually live.

You are affirming that your residence - the place you actually live - is in DC. The benefit you are getting is going to public school in DC. You lying about you address, if you are a DC resident, is not getting that benefit, because you were already legally entitled to it. Can you find any person who has been fined or jailed for your interpretation of this?

no, you are affirming that all the information you list is true - including the address which is clearly meant to be the place you actually live. lying on govt forms to get a benefit is kind of a big deal. you KNOW you are lying. nobody with a straight face could say, “oh, I thought I could just use my rental address and that’s the address they want!” “Residence” means “place you actually live.” Obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

you’re making this up. the form asks you to list your residence which means the place you actually live.

You are affirming that your residence - the place you actually live - is in DC. The benefit you are getting is going to public school in DC. You lying about you address, if you are a DC resident, is not getting that benefit, because you were already legally entitled to it. Can you find any person who has been fined or jailed for your interpretation of this?

no, you are affirming that all the information you list is true - including the address which is clearly meant to be the place you actually live. lying on govt forms to get a benefit is kind of a big deal. you KNOW you are lying. nobody with a straight face could say, “oh, I thought I could just use my rental address and that’s the address they want!” “Residence” means “place you actually live.” Obviously.

But the lie isn't material to getting the benefit, because the benefit, as DC sees it, is going to public school in DC.

Look, I think it's antisocial and lousy and other parents should probably shame you for it. But DC just doesn't see this the way you do. Maybe they should! But they do not.

[Anonymous]

I’m amazed that people doing this can’t just own up that it’s fraud. It’s some kind of big narcissism both to do this AND claim it’s not lying on the forms. Like you want to be entitled to lie but not be called a liar. I guess because the fact that you can lie and likelu not get csught makes you believe it is not actually a lie?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. Not sure how DCPS would "get" the boundary cheating families owning multiple properties anyway. What's to stop them from collecting mail at any property they own? Why bother to put scare city ed resources into chasing down such parents? Hello, the DC tax base is still shrinking post Covid. I don't get why posters come here to call these guys out for "fraud" when the only people who'd pay the price for being caught for fraud are the "cheaters." Have you guys nothing better to worry about in this fraught city? How about making noise about the fact that that spots at desirable 5th or 6th grade-12th charters East of Rock Creek are in increasingly hard to come by. Meanwhile, Walls, Ellington and Banneker don't have room for all comers and Eastern HS still doesn't appeal to more than a handful, literally a handful, of high SES families.

Look it’s fraud. If you are ok with lying about your residence on official govt docs more power to you. Personally I am very conservative about this stuff because I don’t want to risk my clearance. I won’t report you for it but I will think you are trashy and dumb.

The DC Residency Verification Form is the form to verify where you live for DCPS. It's very clear, in numerous places, about what they are asking you to certify, and that's you live in DC. It's not an address verification form, it's a *residency* verification form. That's what they care about, and that's where actual penalties come in if you violate them. There's nothing on the form about school boundaries. As far as DCPS is concerned, "residency fraud" is a real, meaningful concept - there's a reporting line and everything. Whereas "boundary fraud" is only real on DCUM.

If you falsify where you live on your tax forms in order to submit that DCPS for proof of residency (but you actually do live in DC), you are committing fraud -- against the IRS, not against DCPS. But if you modify the address on your pay stub from one DC address to another and submit that as proof of residency, that is deceptive and self-serving and it might make you a bad person, but it's not fraud according the actual government agency that manages this.

Yes it is fraud. The form you sign expressly has you swear that you and the child reside at the listed address.

The word "address" appears zero times under "Sign Certification of Residency Requirements." You are certifying that you "have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District". This is a certification of residency, and it is entirely focused on whether you live in the district. That is what DC cares about.

no, you certify as follows: “I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.”

Your argument that “address” on the form means “just any address I own property in the District but don’t actually reside in” is pretty laughable. Good luck with that.

Residency means living in DC. You absolutely have to live in DC. But no DC residents are getting fined or imprisoned for going to the wrong-boundary school. But please, find an example where someone is.....

you’re making this up. the form asks you to list your residence which means the place you actually live.

You are affirming that your residence - the place you actually live - is in DC. The benefit you are getting is going to public school in DC. You lying about you address, if you are a DC resident, is not getting that benefit, because you were already legally entitled to it. Can you find any person who has been fined or jailed for your interpretation of this?

no, you are affirming that all the information you list is true - including the address which is clearly meant to be the place you actually live. lying on govt forms to get a benefit is kind of a big deal. you KNOW you are lying. nobody with a straight face could say, “oh, I thought I could just use my rental address and that’s the address they want!” “Residence” means “place you actually live.” Obviously.

But the lie isn't material to getting the benefit, because the benefit, as DC sees it, is going to public school in DC.

Look, I think it's antisocial and lousy and other parents should probably shame you for it. But DC just doesn't see this the way you do. Maybe they should! But they do not.

No, DC law is quite clear that anyone providing false information in connection with residency is committing a crime, so the issue of it being for a benefit is not material. But it clearly is to get a benefit because they are doing it to get into a school they are otherwise not entitled to intend.