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Anonymous wrote:You are just as likely to get prosecuted for lying about your middle name on that form as you are lying about your address, provided you actually do live in DC.

It's also a crime to walk your dog in various public parks in DC, or at least in swathes of them. It's even a crime to cultivate vegetables in the tree box between your house and the street and to play stickball in a public alley.

If nobody's going to prosecute anybody for activities that are technically crimes, the acts have been decriminalized to the point of not being relevant. You can't change that by coming here trying to scare fellow parents into believing otherwise.

I mean, I also have issues with the many people who run dogs off leash in non-dog-parks in DC. Just because this never gets prosecuted doesn't mean it's a great behavior that we all have to endorse. The vegetable and "stickball" laws are obviously out of date and should be repealed, but don't have much to do with the conversation at hand.

The point is that you can claim that boundary fraud is fine because OSSE doesn't prosecute it, but most of us don't base our moral standards on "what OSSE will prosecute." There are LOTS of immoral things you can do that no one ever prosecutes you for.

Do it if you want, you probably won't go to jail or even get kicked out of the school you are lying your way into. Take your poorly trained dog to the park without a leash and sneer at anyone who tells you to leash it, nothing will happen to you if you do that, either. But you will be a liar and an a$$hole. Apparently that doesn't matter to you.

The situation is not "OSSE doesn't prosecute boundary fraud", it's "OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud, and OSSE also doesn't try to bring legal penalties against people for lying on a form in ways that are not material." (With address being nonmaterial for DC residents because, again, OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud.) These are actually different things.

Are you actually trying to argue that boundary fraud simply doesn't exist? In that case why do we even have school boundaries? Why is anyone give "in-boundary" preference in the PK lottery? Why would schools ask for your address before enrolling your student, to ensure that it is your "by right" school. What does "by right" even mean, since apparently it doesn't matter?

You sound insane. It's one thing to argue that boundary fraud isn't prosecuted and therefore is fairly easy to get away with. I'd agree with you there. It is nuts to argue that boundary fraud simply does not exist.

There are boundaries. You are required to RESIDE within the boundaries in order to enroll your child without winning a lottery spot. You know this and I know this, which is why if you want to commit boundary fraud, you have to make sure you can pick up mail at that address you listed and give the minimal appearance that you live there, even if only claiming you live there on enrollment forms that ask you to list your address.

God sometimes I hate living in a city full of lawyers with personality disorders. It makes everything so much harder than it needs to be.

OSSE never uses the phrase "boundary fraud". So where's the law defining boundary fraud and the penalties for it? You seem really sure this exists, so find the law.

The fraud is lying on the form. As has been repeated to you ad nauseum.

Lying on a form is not inherently "fraud". That's not what that word means. I don't even think this is a good behavior - it's cheating and it's unfair. But this childlike insistence that this thing you don't like must be illegal is just bizarre.

Lying on a government form to obtain a benefit isn’t fraud? GL!!

The actual government agency has made extremely clear that they don't see the specific school as a benefit, just the overall public school access.

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Anonymous wrote:You are just as likely to get prosecuted for lying about your middle name on that form as you are lying about your address, provided you actually do live in DC.

It's also a crime to walk your dog in various public parks in DC, or at least in swathes of them. It's even a crime to cultivate vegetables in the tree box between your house and the street and to play stickball in a public alley.

If nobody's going to prosecute anybody for activities that are technically crimes, the acts have been decriminalized to the point of not being relevant. You can't change that by coming here trying to scare fellow parents into believing otherwise.

I mean, I also have issues with the many people who run dogs off leash in non-dog-parks in DC. Just because this never gets prosecuted doesn't mean it's a great behavior that we all have to endorse. The vegetable and "stickball" laws are obviously out of date and should be repealed, but don't have much to do with the conversation at hand.

The point is that you can claim that boundary fraud is fine because OSSE doesn't prosecute it, but most of us don't base our moral standards on "what OSSE will prosecute." There are LOTS of immoral things you can do that no one ever prosecutes you for.

Do it if you want, you probably won't go to jail or even get kicked out of the school you are lying your way into. Take your poorly trained dog to the park without a leash and sneer at anyone who tells you to leash it, nothing will happen to you if you do that, either. But you will be a liar and an a$$hole. Apparently that doesn't matter to you.

The situation is not "OSSE doesn't prosecute boundary fraud", it's "OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud, and OSSE also doesn't try to bring legal penalties against people for lying on a form in ways that are not material." (With address being nonmaterial for DC residents because, again, OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud.) These are actually different things.

Are you actually trying to argue that boundary fraud simply doesn't exist? In that case why do we even have school boundaries? Why is anyone give "in-boundary" preference in the PK lottery? Why would schools ask for your address before enrolling your student, to ensure that it is your "by right" school. What does "by right" even mean, since apparently it doesn't matter?

You sound insane. It's one thing to argue that boundary fraud isn't prosecuted and therefore is fairly easy to get away with. I'd agree with you there. It is nuts to argue that boundary fraud simply does not exist.

There are boundaries. You are required to RESIDE within the boundaries in order to enroll your child without winning a lottery spot. You know this and I know this, which is why if you want to commit boundary fraud, you have to make sure you can pick up mail at that address you listed and give the minimal appearance that you live there, even if only claiming you live there on enrollment forms that ask you to list your address.

God sometimes I hate living in a city full of lawyers with personality disorders. It makes everything so much harder than it needs to be.

OSSE never uses the phrase "boundary fraud". So where's the law defining boundary fraud and the penalties for it? You seem really sure this exists, so find the law.

The fraud is lying on the form. As has been repeated to you ad nauseum.

Lying on a form is not inherently "fraud". That's not what that word means. I don't even think this is a good behavior - it's cheating and it's unfair. But this childlike insistence that this thing you don't like must be illegal is just bizarre.

You seem not to understand what "inherently" or "fraud" mean. Otherwise, you totally nailed it!

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Anonymous wrote:You are just as likely to get prosecuted for lying about your middle name on that form as you are lying about your address, provided you actually do live in DC.

It's also a crime to walk your dog in various public parks in DC, or at least in swathes of them. It's even a crime to cultivate vegetables in the tree box between your house and the street and to play stickball in a public alley.

If nobody's going to prosecute anybody for activities that are technically crimes, the acts have been decriminalized to the point of not being relevant. You can't change that by coming here trying to scare fellow parents into believing otherwise.

I mean, I also have issues with the many people who run dogs off leash in non-dog-parks in DC. Just because this never gets prosecuted doesn't mean it's a great behavior that we all have to endorse. The vegetable and "stickball" laws are obviously out of date and should be repealed, but don't have much to do with the conversation at hand.

The point is that you can claim that boundary fraud is fine because OSSE doesn't prosecute it, but most of us don't base our moral standards on "what OSSE will prosecute." There are LOTS of immoral things you can do that no one ever prosecutes you for.

Do it if you want, you probably won't go to jail or even get kicked out of the school you are lying your way into. Take your poorly trained dog to the park without a leash and sneer at anyone who tells you to leash it, nothing will happen to you if you do that, either. But you will be a liar and an a$$hole. Apparently that doesn't matter to you.

The situation is not "OSSE doesn't prosecute boundary fraud", it's "OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud, and OSSE also doesn't try to bring legal penalties against people for lying on a form in ways that are not material." (With address being nonmaterial for DC residents because, again, OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud.) These are actually different things.

Are you actually trying to argue that boundary fraud simply doesn't exist? In that case why do we even have school boundaries? Why is anyone give "in-boundary" preference in the PK lottery? Why would schools ask for your address before enrolling your student, to ensure that it is your "by right" school. What does "by right" even mean, since apparently it doesn't matter?

You sound insane. It's one thing to argue that boundary fraud isn't prosecuted and therefore is fairly easy to get away with. I'd agree with you there. It is nuts to argue that boundary fraud simply does not exist.

There are boundaries. You are required to RESIDE within the boundaries in order to enroll your child without winning a lottery spot. You know this and I know this, which is why if you want to commit boundary fraud, you have to make sure you can pick up mail at that address you listed and give the minimal appearance that you live there, even if only claiming you live there on enrollment forms that ask you to list your address.

God sometimes I hate living in a city full of lawyers with personality disorders. It makes everything so much harder than it needs to be.

OSSE never uses the phrase "boundary fraud". So where's the law defining boundary fraud and the penalties for it? You seem really sure this exists, so find the law.

The fraud is lying on the form. As has been repeated to you ad nauseum.

Lying on a form is not inherently "fraud". That's not what that word means. I don't even think this is a good behavior - it's cheating and it's unfair. But this childlike insistence that this thing you don't like must be illegal is just bizarre.

Lying on a government form to obtain a benefit isn’t fraud? GL!!

The actual government agency has made extremely clear that they don't see the specific school as a benefit, just the overall public school access.

No, that never happened. OSSE and DC lae makes quite clear that nobody is supposed to lie on the form.

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Anonymous wrote:You are just as likely to get prosecuted for lying about your middle name on that form as you are lying about your address, provided you actually do live in DC.

It's also a crime to walk your dog in various public parks in DC, or at least in swathes of them. It's even a crime to cultivate vegetables in the tree box between your house and the street and to play stickball in a public alley.

If nobody's going to prosecute anybody for activities that are technically crimes, the acts have been decriminalized to the point of not being relevant. You can't change that by coming here trying to scare fellow parents into believing otherwise.

I mean, I also have issues with the many people who run dogs off leash in non-dog-parks in DC. Just because this never gets prosecuted doesn't mean it's a great behavior that we all have to endorse. The vegetable and "stickball" laws are obviously out of date and should be repealed, but don't have much to do with the conversation at hand.

The point is that you can claim that boundary fraud is fine because OSSE doesn't prosecute it, but most of us don't base our moral standards on "what OSSE will prosecute." There are LOTS of immoral things you can do that no one ever prosecutes you for.

Do it if you want, you probably won't go to jail or even get kicked out of the school you are lying your way into. Take your poorly trained dog to the park without a leash and sneer at anyone who tells you to leash it, nothing will happen to you if you do that, either. But you will be a liar and an a$$hole. Apparently that doesn't matter to you.

The situation is not "OSSE doesn't prosecute boundary fraud", it's "OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud, and OSSE also doesn't try to bring legal penalties against people for lying on a form in ways that are not material." (With address being nonmaterial for DC residents because, again, OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud.) These are actually different things.

Are you actually trying to argue that boundary fraud simply doesn't exist? In that case why do we even have school boundaries? Why is anyone give "in-boundary" preference in the PK lottery? Why would schools ask for your address before enrolling your student, to ensure that it is your "by right" school. What does "by right" even mean, since apparently it doesn't matter?

You sound insane. It's one thing to argue that boundary fraud isn't prosecuted and therefore is fairly easy to get away with. I'd agree with you there. It is nuts to argue that boundary fraud simply does not exist.

There are boundaries. You are required to RESIDE within the boundaries in order to enroll your child without winning a lottery spot. You know this and I know this, which is why if you want to commit boundary fraud, you have to make sure you can pick up mail at that address you listed and give the minimal appearance that you live there, even if only claiming you live there on enrollment forms that ask you to list your address.

God sometimes I hate living in a city full of lawyers with personality disorders. It makes everything so much harder than it needs to be.

OSSE never uses the phrase "boundary fraud". So where's the law defining boundary fraud and the penalties for it? You seem really sure this exists, so find the law.

The fraud is lying on the form. As has been repeated to you ad nauseum.

Lying on a form is not inherently "fraud". That's not what that word means. I don't even think this is a good behavior - it's cheating and it's unfair. But this childlike insistence that this thing you don't like must be illegal is just bizarre.

You seem not to understand what "inherently" or "fraud" mean. Otherwise, you totally nailed it!

Right?? These chuckleheads should read up on Martha Stewart. Investigators hate to be lied to and will get you if you do, even if the underlying offense was minimal.

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OK, please name DC chuckleheads who’ve been investigated and “war” for residency fraud. Links?

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Anonymous wrote:You are just as likely to get prosecuted for lying about your middle name on that form as you are lying about your address, provided you actually do live in DC.

It's also a crime to walk your dog in various public parks in DC, or at least in swathes of them. It's even a crime to cultivate vegetables in the tree box between your house and the street and to play stickball in a public alley.

If nobody's going to prosecute anybody for activities that are technically crimes, the acts have been decriminalized to the point of not being relevant. You can't change that by coming here trying to scare fellow parents into believing otherwise.

I mean, I also have issues with the many people who run dogs off leash in non-dog-parks in DC. Just because this never gets prosecuted doesn't mean it's a great behavior that we all have to endorse. The vegetable and "stickball" laws are obviously out of date and should be repealed, but don't have much to do with the conversation at hand.

The point is that you can claim that boundary fraud is fine because OSSE doesn't prosecute it, but most of us don't base our moral standards on "what OSSE will prosecute." There are LOTS of immoral things you can do that no one ever prosecutes you for.

Do it if you want, you probably won't go to jail or even get kicked out of the school you are lying your way into. Take your poorly trained dog to the park without a leash and sneer at anyone who tells you to leash it, nothing will happen to you if you do that, either. But you will be a liar and an a$$hole. Apparently that doesn't matter to you.

The situation is not "OSSE doesn't prosecute boundary fraud", it's "OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud, and OSSE also doesn't try to bring legal penalties against people for lying on a form in ways that are not material." (With address being nonmaterial for DC residents because, again, OSSE doesn't recognize the existence of boundary fraud.) These are actually different things.

Are you actually trying to argue that boundary fraud simply doesn't exist? In that case why do we even have school boundaries? Why is anyone give "in-boundary" preference in the PK lottery? Why would schools ask for your address before enrolling your student, to ensure that it is your "by right" school. What does "by right" even mean, since apparently it doesn't matter?

You sound insane. It's one thing to argue that boundary fraud isn't prosecuted and therefore is fairly easy to get away with. I'd agree with you there. It is nuts to argue that boundary fraud simply does not exist.

There are boundaries. You are required to RESIDE within the boundaries in order to enroll your child without winning a lottery spot. You know this and I know this, which is why if you want to commit boundary fraud, you have to make sure you can pick up mail at that address you listed and give the minimal appearance that you live there, even if only claiming you live there on enrollment forms that ask you to list your address.

God sometimes I hate living in a city full of lawyers with personality disorders. It makes everything so much harder than it needs to be.

OSSE never uses the phrase "boundary fraud". So where's the law defining boundary fraud and the penalties for it? You seem really sure this exists, so find the law.

The fraud is lying on the form. As has been repeated to you ad nauseum.

Lying on a form is not inherently "fraud". That's not what that word means. I don't even think this is a good behavior - it's cheating and it's unfair. But this childlike insistence that this thing you don't like must be illegal is just bizarre.

Lying on a government form to obtain a benefit isn’t fraud? GL!!

The actual government agency has made extremely clear that they don't see the specific school as a benefit, just the overall public school access.

No, that never happened. OSSE and DC lae makes quite clear that nobody is supposed to lie on the form.

Any person, including any District of Columbia pubic school or public charter school official, who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to charges of tuition retroactively, and payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both fine and imprisonment, pursuant to the District of Columbia Nonresident Tuition Act, approved September 8, 1960 and amended by the District of Columbia Public Schools and Public Charter School Student Residency Fraud Prevention Amendment Act of 2012 (D.C. Code §38-312). The case of any such person may be referred by the Office of the State Superintendent of Education to the District of Columbia Office of the Attorney General.

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This just continues and continues. From this past August:

Former D.C. Government Employee Indicted on Charges of Fraudulently Claiming District Residency to Obtain Benefits

Michia Pardlow, 30, now residing in Washington, D.C., was indicted yesterday on 39 counts of fraud and other charges stemming from her false claims of District of Columbia residency, from 2016 to 2020, to obtain D.C. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Medicaid benefits, and free tuition for her two children to attend a D.C. Public Charter School.

The announcement was made by U.S. Attorney Matthew M. Graves, Daniel W. Lucas, Inspector General for the District of Columbia, and Brian Schwalb, Attorney General for the District of Columbia. This matter was initially discovered by the D.C. Department of Human Services and promptly referred to the D.C. Office of the Inspector General for investigation.

Pardlow was indicted by a grand jury in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on charges of first degree fraud, first degree theft, false statements, and forgery. Ms. Pardlow is to be arraigned on August 23, 2023, at a hearing before the Honorable Andrea Hertzfeld. The majority of the indicted charges are felony offenses, carrying a maximum term of imprisonment of 10 years.

According to court documents in the case, Pardlow was a resident of Arlington, Virginia, from 2016 into 2020. The charging documents allege that she submitted signed applications, residency verification forms, and other documents to the District of Columbia’s Department of Human Services and Public Charter School Board claiming and verifying District residency. The charging documents also allege that in November 2017, she forged a residency verification letter.

As a result, the documents allege, Pardlow was able to obtain District benefits to which she was not entitled. Non-District residents are ineligible to receive District SNAP, TANF, and Medicaid benefits. Non-District residents who enroll their dependents in D.C. schools must apply as a non-resident and pay non-resident tuition. Court documents allege that she received more than $149,000 in fraudulent benefits.

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A Post examination of records dating back five years, as well as interviews with current and former school officials, indicate that residency fraud in the public schools is widespread and enforcement is spotty. The system has been abused even by public officials well versed in the rules. Among those alleged to have improperly enrolled their children are a celebrated principal and a teacher of the year.

[Anonymous]

She lived in VA and was committing residency fraud and you must be trolling at this point to not understand the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:She lived in VA and was committing residency fraud and you must be trolling at this point to not understand the difference.

What is your point? IB fraud is a real thing in DC. I'm more interested in the MD and VA kids parents that claim DC residency and pay nothing for their education. In fiscal year 2022, DC taxpayers forked over $2.8 billion for public education; that was 26.5% of the city’s general fund expenditures, according to the Office of the Chief Financial Officer. I pay taxes for our public schools. I want DC residents benefit from our taxes, not kids from VA or MD.

Pardlow was indicted by a grand jury in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia on charges of first degree fraud, first degree theft, false statements, and forgery.

She was indicted on 39 counts of fraud and other charges stemming from her false claims of District of Columbia residency, from 2016 to 2020, to obtain D.C. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Medicaid benefits, and free tuition for her two children to attend a D.C. Public Charter School.