Transgender Chess Ban

[Anonymous]

So mucb BS in this thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you who think this policy is just transphobia or whatever and are throwing tantrums, how many girls in conservative countries do you want to drop out of chess? All the Muslim ones? African ones? What is the price you want the girls to pay so mostly American and European, mostly white adults born as male get what they want?

Do you understand anything about international chess development for girls? Or do you just not care?

Why would girls from conservative countries drop out?

Because due to strong cultural norms or actual laws, separation of the sexes is practiced all over the world, including in parts of Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa. The people who leftists in the West call “trans women” are males by sex and are simply known as men in countries that do not subscribe to gender ideology. Allowing these men in the women’s league would prevent the participation of women and girls from cultures where women are not allowed to socialize with random men.

As at least one response in this thread already shows, trans activists don’t care if the most disadvantaged and oppressed women are shut out of opportunities so that natal males can be affirmed in their subjective assessment of their gender.

Plenty of people care, however, and would argue that women’s sports weren’t created to affirm men.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For all of you who think this policy is just transphobia or whatever and are throwing tantrums, how many girls in conservative countries do you want to drop out of chess? All the Muslim ones? African ones? What is the price you want the girls to pay so mostly American and European, mostly white adults born as male get what they want?

Do you understand anything about international chess development for girls? Or do you just not care?

+1. The girls from conservative countries would be prohibited from participating by their governments. You would be taking away their opportunity.

No, It's their backward bigoted governments who would be taking away their opportunities.

That’s one argument. The other argument would be that it’s extremely selfish, arrogant men who are invading spaces where they don’t belong and who—along with these men’s predominantly white, ultra privileged backers—are stealing opportunities from marginalized, vulnerable women of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m not going to wade into the absurd and overblown hysterics in this thread but the reason for this is that the real training advantages in chess start when children are young and when transwomen are still boys. Boys do not compete against girls. For whatever reason (prejudice, cultural bias against girls, earlier spatial brain development in boys, something else), the boys circuit is where there is both much more development and better competition. So, by the time the transwoman has this level of competition, she has been given access to a much larger and more advanced playing field than the female-sexed competitors. They are doing this because they want women to play chess, particularly internationally where women can’t remove hijabs etc., and allowing transwomen to play will stop that. It will also bar a lot of Muslim women from competition, and it is an area where Muslim women can shine and compete.

The people who are claiming this is just bias against trans people quite obviously know literally nothing about chess competition and development and sound profoundly hysterical and ignorant. They also clearly don’t care much or know much about international chess, nor about the conditions faced by women playing chess outside the US. It’s a myopic, US-centric, rather spoiled-sounding viewpoint.

Thank you for shedding light on this.

I’d like to see one of those complaining about “anti-trans bigotry” in this thread address the point you’ve raised.

What sort of “progress” is it when men who have enjoyed male privilege all their lives get to displace women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Hm, no, those who suffer social discrimination aren’t interchangeable. Gender dysphoric males shouldn’t get to exploit initiatives for women any more than poor white men should get to exploit initiatives for black people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For all of you who think this policy is just transphobia or whatever and are throwing tantrums, how many girls in conservative countries do you want to drop out of chess? All the Muslim ones? African ones? What is the price you want the girls to pay so mostly American and European, mostly white adults born as male get what they want?

Do you understand anything about international chess development for girls? Or do you just not care?

Why would girls from conservative countries drop out?

Because due to strong cultural norms or actual laws, separation of the sexes is practiced all over the world, including in parts of Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa. The people who leftists in the West call “trans women” are males by sex and are simply known as men in countries that do not subscribe to gender ideology. Allowing these men in the women’s league would prevent the participation of women and girls from cultures where women are not allowed to socialize with random men.

As at least one response in this thread already shows, trans activists don’t care if the most disadvantaged and oppressed women are shut out of opportunities so that natal males can be affirmed in their subjective assessment of their gender.

Plenty of people care, however, and would argue that women’s sports weren’t created to affirm men.

This is really important. Thank you for explaining it so clearly, PP.

On a personal note, I hope this is the first of many such decisions that preserve women-only initiatives.

[NP]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s some kind of tortured reasoning. They are just being bullies. It’s acceptable to harass transgender people and so now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can be so cruel. There’s not a lot of acceptance of being transgender as it is and it’s gratuitous to keep piling on.

Replace "transgender" with "black" and step back 70 years and nothing would have changed.

There are so many people on this forum who would be dumping milkshakes on sit-in protestors and cheering the dogs and fire hoses if they had been born in the 1930s.

They'll try to tell you "oh no, I'd be all for civil rights if I was around back then, but this trans thing is different!"

It's not, and they wouldn't, but it's what they have to tell themselves to believe they're good people despite their bigoted beliefs.

Yeah. Cutting off body parts because you were born in the wrong body is similar to being black.

You must be out of your mind.

How they are treated by people like you sure is similar.

No. It's people like you who are fake sympathizers to the struggles and history of black people in this country. You use black people to make silly analogies that are completely off base.

Leave black people out this.

Ha -- you sound like DeSantis when he fought all the intersectional stuff in that AA History course and he was demonized for doing so

I would sound like that to you since everyone who disagrees with you inappropriately using black people to make emotional laden faulty arguments instead of coming up with logical ones is a conservative republican, Desantis or Trump.

Try something else next time. Leave black people out of this. TStay on topic.

[Anonymous]

It’s freaking chess. Something ESPN 8 “The Ocho” doesn’t show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s freaking chess. Something ESPN 8 “The Ocho” doesn’t show.

Yes. The rule change has a lot more to do with countries other than the US where chess is a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Righteous stand. If only all sports bodies would adopt a similar stance protecting the rights of woman.

NCAA take note. Should not have this scenario:

I was the best swimmer at my local pool, and high school, now I am an average swimmer on an Ivy League team. I know let me compete on the woman’s team and I can be a champion again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish the whole trans issue would just go away. Why is there more talk of trans stuff in the last three years than there was in the last 50?

One public relations consulting firm must advise both the Republicans and the Russians, or whatever Russians control both Republican and Russian propaganda, and the consulting firm found that trans issues are more powerful than other issues the firm evaluated.

Maybe someone who hangs out on DCUM designed the focus groups that produced the strategy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the whole trans issue would just go away. Why is there more talk of trans stuff in the last three years than there was in the last 50?

One public relations consulting firm must advise both the Republicans and the Russians, or whatever Russians control both Republican and Russian propaganda, and the consulting firm found that trans issues are more powerful than other issues the firm evaluated.

Maybe someone who hangs out on DCUM designed the focus groups that produced the strategy.

It’s definitely in keeping with gender ideology to take the position that women can’t think on their own and reach their own conclusions, I suppose.

[Anonymous]

The percentage of grand chess masters are predominately male as are the participants who qualify to represent their countries in the international math Olympiad. There are 618 participants this year and only 67 are female.

Maybe there is really a biological difference in math and chess ability between males and females? I don’t think researches can get funding to study this issue but there has to be a reason.

[Anonymous]

When it was an issue of bathrooms and locker rooms, transphobes said it wasn’t that they didn’t dislike trans people, they were afraid cis men would be rapey and use the trans issue to get into bathrooms. (Never mind they can do that anyway and trans women in men’s bathrooms puts them at actual risk.)

Then it was an issue of trans women competing in women’s sports. It was about fairness and risk to athletes, never mind that there are so few trans athletes that laws are being made in some states that only had 1-2 trans athletes playing, and testosterone levels in trans women aren’t high enough to give them an advantage.

Then it was banning medical transitioning for minors because they want to protect children, even though they’re totally fine with forcing little girls to bear their rapist’s babies, some as young as 10 and 12 years old. Then they lie to say they don’t exist or try to penalize the doctors who help these girls (if they’re lucky enough to get treatment).

Now trans women can’t play chess with women because? Because any excuse will do. Because trans people aren’t worth recognizing and respecting. Chess is apparently the last safe place for some women who are afraid of someone who they think is a woman until they see their birth certificate or naked baby photos and realize they’re trans. It’s not that men are better or smarter so there’s no genetic advantage. It’s not that they’re transphobic because that would be crazy. It’s just because…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Girls have not been discouraged from entering the wonderful world of chess for decades. For most of any sex it starts with an after school chess club. No nonsense environment. Kids divided up by levels of proficiency not gender but there's a girls only program in DC. Very formal structure much like ballet for the mind and distinct hyper focussing on the chosen activity like violin and cello. Huge time commitment for the child. All those endeavors require a large pool of entrants to get some who would become truly proficient or competitive. https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/makes-grandmaster-good-chess.html