Transgender Chess Ban

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the transgender stance on “Gender Reveal” ceremonies?

It's a fascist racist practice, thanks for asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

But isn’t also a simple fact that if a woman rarely competes against the top tier of men in tournaments there is no way she can rise to the top tier?

Yes. Judit Polgar rarely played in woman’s tournaments because she wanted to compete against the best. But for those who know they will never be world champion, a woman only competition gives a chance to shine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

"Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose."
No it wouldn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

"Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose."
No it wouldn't.

Read the whole post before commenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

But isn’t also a simple fact that if a woman rarely competes against the top tier of men in tournaments there is no way she can rise to the top tier?

The top tournaments are open. Women are not prevented from entering. They choose women's tournaments so that they can win. This is the same reason every other sport has a women's category. To provide a place where women have a chance at being competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the transgender stance on “Gender Reveal” ceremonies?

It's a fascist racist practice, thanks for asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s some kind of tortured reasoning. They are just being bullies. It’s acceptable to harass transgender people and so now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can be so cruel. There’s not a lot of acceptance of being transgender as it is and it’s gratuitous to keep piling on.

Replace "transgender" with "black" and step back 70 years and nothing would have changed.

There are so many people on this forum who would be dumping milkshakes on sit-in protestors and cheering the dogs and fire hoses if they had been born in the 1930s.

They'll try to tell you "oh no, I'd be all for civil rights if I was around back then, but this trans thing is different!"

It's not, and they wouldn't, but it's what they have to tell themselves to believe they're good people despite their bigoted beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s some kind of tortured reasoning. They are just being bullies. It’s acceptable to harass transgender people and so now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can be so cruel. There’s not a lot of acceptance of being transgender as it is and it’s gratuitous to keep piling on.

Replace "transgender" with "black" and step back 70 years and nothing would have changed.

There are so many people on this forum who would be dumping milkshakes on sit-in protestors and cheering the dogs and fire hoses if they had been born in the 1930s.

They'll try to tell you "oh no, I'd be all for civil rights if I was around back then, but this trans thing is different!"

It's not, and they wouldn't, but it's what they have to tell themselves to believe they're good people despite their bigoted beliefs.

No it’s not. Stop comparing your imaginary oppression to to the heinous discrimination faced by black people. Trans people have full civil rights under the law, and this absurd analogy is highly offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

But isn’t also a simple fact that if a woman rarely competes against the top tier of men in tournaments there is no way she can rise to the top tier?

The top tournaments are open. Women are not prevented from entering. They choose women's tournaments so that they can win. This is the same reason every other sport has a women's category. To provide a place where women have a chance at being competitive.

Why do you think cis women would have no chance at being competitive against trans women? I think you’re wrong about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s some kind of tortured reasoning. They are just being bullies. It’s acceptable to harass transgender people and so now everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

I simply don’t understand how anyone can be so cruel. There’s not a lot of acceptance of being transgender as it is and it’s gratuitous to keep piling on.

Replace "transgender" with "black" and step back 70 years and nothing would have changed.

There are so many people on this forum who would be dumping milkshakes on sit-in protestors and cheering the dogs and fire hoses if they had been born in the 1930s.

They'll try to tell you "oh no, I'd be all for civil rights if I was around back then, but this trans thing is different!"

It's not, and they wouldn't, but it's what they have to tell themselves to believe they're good people despite their bigoted beliefs.

No it’s not. Stop comparing your imaginary oppression to to the heinous discrimination faced by black people. Trans people have full civil rights under the law, and this absurd analogy is highly offensive.

It is.

Too many crazies in this forum.

[Anonymous]

Men’s and women’s brains are literally wired differently for one thing. Also just like there are physical stamina difference between men and women mental stamina differences exist.

As stated most chess tournaments are open format. What is the harm in keeping woman’s only tournaments open to only biological women. Transgender people can establish their own category. Easier to win trophies in a smaller pool of contestants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Only one woman (Judit Polgar) -- but 133 men -- has ever achieved a chess rating above 2700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_players_by_peak_FIDE_rating

There are likely many reasons for this, but certainly one is that chess has not been seen as a traditional feminine activity. The reason there are (occasional) women's chess tournaments is to try to encourage women to study the game. Having a transwoman compete in a women's tournament would defeat this purpose. (Nearly every top-ranked chess player has been a child prodigy, i.e. when most transwomen are still male.)

How? The discrimination is not based on relevant biological differences...it's based on bigotry. Transwomen are subject to just as much bigotry as cis-women...actually much more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The International Chess Federation is banning trans-women from competing in women's chess tournaments. A woman who holds a chess title and then transitions to male will have their title "abolished." However, if the gender change is from male to female the titles will remain intact.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/17/sport/fide-bans-transgender-women-chess-spt-intl/index.html

When restrictions are placed on trans-women competing in something like swimming, I at least understand the rationale. Hormones can arguably provide a physical advantage for biological males who transition to become women. (Although my understanding is that the evidence for this is not as robust as one might think.) But what the hell is the rationale here for chess? You don't need a big old bicep to move the bishop across the board.

Are they allowed to compete among men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the transgender stance on “Gender Reveal” ceremonies?

No one knows, because they’re actually “sex reveal” ceremonies. But we’re uncomfortable with the word sex, so we started calling them gender reveals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the transgender stance on “Gender Reveal” ceremonies?

No one knows, because they’re actually “sex reveal” ceremonies. But we’re uncomfortable with the word sex, so we started calling them gender reveals.

The labeling of a fetus as male or female is very damaging.