Transgender Chess Ban

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When it was an issue of bathrooms and locker rooms, transphobes said it wasn’t that they didn’t dislike trans people, they were afraid cis men would be rapey and use the trans issue to get into bathrooms. (Never mind they can do that anyway and trans women in men’s bathrooms puts them at actual risk.)

Then it was an issue of trans women competing in women’s sports. It was about fairness and risk to athletes, never mind that there are so few trans athletes that laws are being made in some states that only had 1-2 trans athletes playing, and testosterone levels in trans women aren’t high enough to give them an advantage.

Then it was banning medical transitioning for minors because they want to protect children, even though they’re totally fine with forcing little girls to bear their rapist’s babies, some as young as 10 and 12 years old. Then they lie to say they don’t exist or try to penalize the doctors who help these girls (if they’re lucky enough to get treatment).

Now trans women can’t play chess with women because? Because any excuse will do. Because trans people aren’t worth recognizing and respecting. Chess is apparently the last safe place for some women who are afraid of someone who they think is a woman until they see their birth certificate or naked baby photos and realize they’re trans. It’s not that men are better or smarter so there’s no genetic advantage. It’s not that they’re transphobic because that would be crazy. It’s just because…

Stop the drama. Men and women are free to play chess together in the open divisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When it was an issue of bathrooms and locker rooms, transphobes said it wasn’t that they didn’t dislike trans people, they were afraid cis men would be rapey and use the trans issue to get into bathrooms. (Never mind they can do that anyway and trans women in men’s bathrooms puts them at actual risk.)

Then it was an issue of trans women competing in women’s sports. It was about fairness and risk to athletes, never mind that there are so few trans athletes that laws are being made in some states that only had 1-2 trans athletes playing, and testosterone levels in trans women aren’t high enough to give them an advantage.

Then it was banning medical transitioning for minors because they want to protect children, even though they’re totally fine with forcing little girls to bear their rapist’s babies, some as young as 10 and 12 years old. Then they lie to say they don’t exist or try to penalize the doctors who help these girls (if they’re lucky enough to get treatment).

Now trans women can’t play chess with women because? Because any excuse will do. Because trans people aren’t worth recognizing and respecting. Chess is apparently the last safe place for some women who are afraid of someone who they think is a woman until they see their birth certificate or naked baby photos and realize they’re trans. It’s not that men are better or smarter so there’s no genetic advantage. It’s not that they’re transphobic because that would be crazy. It’s just because…

Stop the drama. Men and women are free to play chess together in the open divisions.

Or stop creating drama with unnecessary bans. When people are excluded for no reason, they’re going to be upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When it was an issue of bathrooms and locker rooms, transphobes said it wasn’t that they didn’t dislike trans people, they were afraid cis men would be rapey and use the trans issue to get into bathrooms. (Never mind they can do that anyway and trans women in men’s bathrooms puts them at actual risk.)

Then it was an issue of trans women competing in women’s sports. It was about fairness and risk to athletes, never mind that there are so few trans athletes that laws are being made in some states that only had 1-2 trans athletes playing, and testosterone levels in trans women aren’t high enough to give them an advantage.

Then it was banning medical transitioning for minors because they want to protect children, even though they’re totally fine with forcing little girls to bear their rapist’s babies, some as young as 10 and 12 years old. Then they lie to say they don’t exist or try to penalize the doctors who help these girls (if they’re lucky enough to get treatment).

Now trans women can’t play chess with women because? Because any excuse will do. Because trans people aren’t worth recognizing and respecting. Chess is apparently the last safe place for some women who are afraid of someone who they think is a woman until they see their birth certificate or naked baby photos and realize they’re trans. It’s not that men are better or smarter so there’s no genetic advantage. It’s not that they’re transphobic because that would be crazy. It’s just because…

Stop the drama. Men and women are free to play chess together in the open divisions.

Or stop creating drama with unnecessary bans. When people are excluded for no reason, they’re going to be upset.

So. You are upset because the International Chess Federation is taking a pause in allowing trangender women from competing in the women's category in order to research and study the issue?
Are you against science? Do you not believe that this topic should be studied before organizations reflexively allow bio men to compete against women?

[Anonymous]

Parades, merchandise, dedicated recognition days/month, marketing opportunity for any company willing to adjust their logo, socially accepted intimidation and ostracism for dissenters…yep, marginalized population!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Girls have not been discouraged from entering the wonderful world of chess for decades. For most of any sex it starts with an after school chess club. No nonsense environment. Kids divided up by levels of proficiency not gender but there's a girls only program in DC. Very formal structure much like ballet for the mind and distinct hyper focussing on the chosen activity like violin and cello. Huge time commitment for the child. All those endeavors require a large pool of entrants to get some who would become truly proficient or competitive. https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/makes-grandmaster-good-chess.html

Oh for Pete’s sake.

First of all, there is a lot more to chess than the US. In fact most of chess has little to do with the US. This thread is filled with people who don’t seem to understand that the world outside the US even exists but in fact to even discuss this rule, it is necessary to understand that in international chess, the US is not very important. Literally nobody involved in making this new rule cares whatsoever that some after school clubs in the US exist for both boys and girls. It’s 100% irrelevant.

Do you know where chess is growing quickly, unlike the US where participation is either steady or dropping? Countries like Nigeria. Chess in Nigeria (to use an example) is becoming very popular and it is particularly popular because it is a competitive activity that conservative religious girls can participate in. Girls who would not be allowed to play soccer can do chess. And they do, in increasing numbers. The future of chess is in Africa and Asia, not in the US or Europe.

Second of all, just because there are after school programs, do you think that means girls are actually welcome in chess even in the US? Do you know what nearly all the female grandmasters or girls who do well eventually in the US have in common? A relative: father, uncle, etc. who excelled in chess and with whom they trained at home and who countered the sexism in the outside programs. Also, for a lot of them in the US, another requirement is money to get outside training. This is because the girls that succeed in chess in the US succeed despite the chess education systems in place, whereas the boys succeed because of those programs. The sexism in chess in the US is profound and it starts early, which is why the girls programs started to begin with. The existence of a few after-school programs in no way negates the overwhelming training advantages boys learning chess in the US have over girls.

I am so over all the narcissistic myopia from the trans activists in this thread. It’s ridiculous. People outside the US exist, girls outside the US exist, and guess what, sometimes you don’t get everything you want in life just because you want it. I realize that is a new message for you and apparently you weren’t ever told “no” as a child, but do try to grow up a little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Girls have not been discouraged from entering the wonderful world of chess for decades. For most of any sex it starts with an after school chess club. No nonsense environment. Kids divided up by levels of proficiency not gender but there's a girls only program in DC. Very formal structure much like ballet for the mind and distinct hyper focussing on the chosen activity like violin and cello. Huge time commitment for the child. All those endeavors require a large pool of entrants to get some who would become truly proficient or competitive. https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/makes-grandmaster-good-chess.html

Oh for Pete’s sake.

First of all, there is a lot more to chess than the US. In fact most of chess has little to do with the US. This thread is filled with people who don’t seem to understand that the world outside the US even exists but in fact to even discuss this rule, it is necessary to understand that in international chess, the US is not very important. Literally nobody involved in making this new rule cares whatsoever that some after school clubs in the US exist for both boys and girls. It’s 100% irrelevant.

Do you know where chess is growing quickly, unlike the US where participation is either steady or dropping? Countries like Nigeria. Chess in Nigeria (to use an example) is becoming very popular and it is particularly popular because it is a competitive activity that conservative religious girls can participate in. Girls who would not be allowed to play soccer can do chess. And they do, in increasing numbers. The future of chess is in Africa and Asia, not in the US or Europe.

Second of all, just because there are after school programs, do you think that means girls are actually welcome in chess even in the US? Do you know what nearly all the female grandmasters or girls who do well eventually in the US have in common? A relative: father, uncle, etc. who excelled in chess and with whom they trained at home and who countered the sexism in the outside programs. Also, for a lot of them in the US, another requirement is money to get outside training. This is because the girls that succeed in chess in the US succeed despite the chess education systems in place, whereas the boys succeed because of those programs. The sexism in chess in the US is profound and it starts early, which is why the girls programs started to begin with. The existence of a few after-school programs in no way negates the overwhelming training advantages boys learning chess in the US have over girls.

I am so over all the narcissistic myopia from the trans activists in this thread. It’s ridiculous. People outside the US exist, girls outside the US exist, and guess what, sometimes you don’t get everything you want in life just because you want it. I realize that is a new message for you and apparently you weren’t ever told “no” as a child, but do try to grow up a little.

Thank you for this!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parades, merchandise, dedicated recognition days/month, marketing opportunity for any company willing to adjust their logo, socially accepted intimidation and ostracism for dissenters…yep, marginalized population!

What I’ve seen is the opposite. Chris Rock is out here firing machine guns at beer cans because a trans woman got a single ad deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Girls have not been discouraged from entering the wonderful world of chess for decades. For most of any sex it starts with an after school chess club. No nonsense environment. Kids divided up by levels of proficiency not gender but there's a girls only program in DC. Very formal structure much like ballet for the mind and distinct hyper focussing on the chosen activity like violin and cello. Huge time commitment for the child. All those endeavors require a large pool of entrants to get some who would become truly proficient or competitive. https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/makes-grandmaster-good-chess.html

Oh for Pete’s sake.

First of all, there is a lot more to chess than the US. In fact most of chess has little to do with the US. This thread is filled with people who don’t seem to understand that the world outside the US even exists but in fact to even discuss this rule, it is necessary to understand that in international chess, the US is not very important. Literally nobody involved in making this new rule cares whatsoever that some after school clubs in the US exist for both boys and girls. It’s 100% irrelevant.

Do you know where chess is growing quickly, unlike the US where participation is either steady or dropping? Countries like Nigeria. Chess in Nigeria (to use an example) is becoming very popular and it is particularly popular because it is a competitive activity that conservative religious girls can participate in. Girls who would not be allowed to play soccer can do chess. And they do, in increasing numbers. The future of chess is in Africa and Asia, not in the US or Europe.

Second of all, just because there are after school programs, do you think that means girls are actually welcome in chess even in the US? Do you know what nearly all the female grandmasters or girls who do well eventually in the US have in common? A relative: father, uncle, etc. who excelled in chess and with whom they trained at home and who countered the sexism in the outside programs. Also, for a lot of them in the US, another requirement is money to get outside training. This is because the girls that succeed in chess in the US succeed despite the chess education systems in place, whereas the boys succeed because of those programs. The sexism in chess in the US is profound and it starts early, which is why the girls programs started to begin with. The existence of a few after-school programs in no way negates the overwhelming training advantages boys learning chess in the US have over girls.

I am so over all the narcissistic myopia from the trans activists in this thread. It’s ridiculous. People outside the US exist, girls outside the US exist, and guess what, sometimes you don’t get everything you want in life just because you want it. I realize that is a new message for you and apparently you weren’t ever told “no” as a child, but do try to grow up a little.

Correct answer highlighted above. Time to move on.

[Anonymous]

It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

Do you even understand that this rule comes from FIDE (the International Chess Federation)? Do you even know what FIDE is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

Do you even understand that this rule comes from FIDE (the International Chess Federation)? Do you even know what FIDE is?

Do yo Binder stand this board is about America? And peoppe talk. About. America.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

Do you even understand that this rule comes from FIDE (the International Chess Federation)? Do you even know what FIDE is?

Do yo Binder stand this board is about America? And peoppe talk. About. America.?

You are not making any sense. If the rule was instituted by an international federation, then it’s completely appropriate to discuss the impact on girls worldwide, not just in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

Do you even understand that this rule comes from FIDE (the International Chess Federation)? Do you even know what FIDE is?

Do yo Binder stand this board is about America? And peoppe talk. About. America.?

You are not making any sense. If the rule was instituted by an international federation, then it’s completely appropriate to discuss the impact on girls worldwide, not just in the US.

It’s always appropriate to speak about America on a board for Americans. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious. Board about DC. People be like, stop talking about America. Lol.

Do you even understand that this rule comes from FIDE (the International Chess Federation)? Do you even know what FIDE is?

Do yo Binder stand this board is about America? And peoppe talk. About. America.?

You are not making any sense. If the rule was instituted by an international federation, then it’s completely appropriate to discuss the impact on girls worldwide, not just in the US.

It’s always appropriate to speak about America on a board for Americans. Lol.

Congratulations for perfectly demonstrating the point that trans activists in this thread are myopic narcissists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not familiar with the reasons behind the female chess series, but I am familiar with an all-female series in motorsport, a feeder series sponsored by F1 currently called the F1 Academy.

Now you might imagine that would be unnecessary, as the car is doing the hard work. And TBH it's mostly true although it is a more physical sport than you would guess.

The major issue, and the reason why the F1 Academy is needed, is that young drivers (and by young I mean 10-17 year olds) need incredible levels of sponsorship to go through all of the levels from junior karting up to F2, the last step on the ladder to F1. All along the way they face discrimination from potential sponsors, driver academy programs run by the major F1 teams, as well as disparagement from their peers. It's a very elitist sport and the simpletons will say "golly which woman is ready for F1" and everyone with half a brain knows it's because female drivers got weeded out long before that.

It's possible that chess faces similar barriers. I don't really know how that works. I have not spoken to female chess masters about their experience going up the ranks.

This is a reasoanble analogy. There is unlikely a biological factor around chess, but there is a huge social factor. Women are not encouraged and often discouraged. This is why it's all the more important to include transwomen, IMHO, because the point is to overcome social discrimination.

Girls have not been discouraged from entering the wonderful world of chess for decades. For most of any sex it starts with an after school chess club. No nonsense environment. Kids divided up by levels of proficiency not gender but there's a girls only program in DC. Very formal structure much like ballet for the mind and distinct hyper focussing on the chosen activity like violin and cello. Huge time commitment for the child. All those endeavors require a large pool of entrants to get some who would become truly proficient or competitive. https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/makes-grandmaster-good-chess.html

Oh for Pete’s sake.

First of all, there is a lot more to chess than the US. In fact most of chess has little to do with the US. This thread is filled with people who don’t seem to understand that the world outside the US even exists but in fact to even discuss this rule, it is necessary to understand that in international chess, the US is not very important. Literally nobody involved in making this new rule cares whatsoever that some after school clubs in the US exist for both boys and girls. It’s 100% irrelevant.

Do you know where chess is growing quickly, unlike the US where participation is either steady or dropping? Countries like Nigeria. Chess in Nigeria (to use an example) is becoming very popular and it is particularly popular because it is a competitive activity that conservative religious girls can participate in. Girls who would not be allowed to play soccer can do chess. And they do, in increasing numbers. The future of chess is in Africa and Asia, not in the US or Europe.

Second of all, just because there are after school programs, do you think that means girls are actually welcome in chess even in the US? Do you know what nearly all the female grandmasters or girls who do well eventually in the US have in common? A relative: father, uncle, etc. who excelled in chess and with whom they trained at home and who countered the sexism in the outside programs. Also, for a lot of them in the US, another requirement is money to get outside training. This is because the girls that succeed in chess in the US succeed despite the chess education systems in place, whereas the boys succeed because of those programs. The sexism in chess in the US is profound and it starts early, which is why the girls programs started to begin with. The existence of a few after-school programs in no way negates the overwhelming training advantages boys learning chess in the US have over girls.

I am so over all the narcissistic myopia from the trans activists in this thread. It’s ridiculous. People outside the US exist, girls outside the US exist, and guess what, sometimes you don’t get everything you want in life just because you want it. I realize that is a new message for you and apparently you weren’t ever told “no” as a child, but do try to grow up a little.

Thank you for this!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

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