Church Raised Adult Children who Reject their Religion and are Raising Kids Without Church

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone worry that their young grandkids are not baptized and taught in the church? Do you read bible stories to them? Baptize?

My sister's MIL is no longer allowed to be alone with her grandchildren because she attempted to take one to church to get baptized without consent, so there's that.

Really, how did they figure out her plan to stealth baptize her grandchild, and then stop her before it happened?

What church was it? I don’t know any pastor or priest that would baptize a child without clear consent of the parents and the parents present at the baptism.

+1000. No church anywhere would do this. A big part of baptism is bringing the child into church life, and part of the ceremony involves the parents agreeing to foster this. Without parental participation that’s impossible.

The moderator has already said (in the Feedback forum) that he strongly suspects this is a troll thread. Who spends their days thinking up scenarios involving imaginary SILs?

Illegal baptism rings exist country-wide. Grandmothers wearing disguises, frequenting rogue churches, forcing small, innocent children into illicit baptism ceremonies. Pastors and priests on the dole…baptizing kids for cash.

Don’t be a fool, pp. The extent of illegal baptisms may truly never be realized.

(That’s sarcasm btw. Whomever said her “SIL’s MIL” was plotting to baptize her grandchild w/o the parent’s permission will not reply with any details-because it’s a troll.)

Details -- as if the troll monger would believe details.

[Anonymous]

It makes me sad this thread took such a turn toward extremes. Though that had a lot to do with the "secret baptism" reference in the OP that I wish wasn't there.

There are good sincere people out there who grew up with religion as a positive influence in their life who are looking at their younger loved ones and concerned that they are missing out. This is not all that different than those who observe extended families having less of a bond/relationship, or disconnecting from rural small communities and moving to larger urban areas. (I know my analogy isn't perfect, so please don't attack it. Rather try to understand what I am attempting to get across.)

Should they try to control or prevent these changes, evolution? No. But I can empathize with someone who has trouble accepting it.

I mentioned earlier that my own mother's faith is a central force in her life, and a good one. (Note I am not talking about her organized religion or doctrine, but her faith.) I understand her concern that neither me nor my children believe, and I see no harm in her talking to my kids about her faith. In fact, I think it is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Why don’t you talk to the children’s parents and then respect their boundaries. My husband was raised Catholic and I was raised United Methodist. We both went to church every week until we left for college. Our children are not baptized and do not go to church. We do not practice any religion.

We did send both kids to Baptist preschool and we would have no issue with grandparents taking the kids to church. We take the kids to church with the grandparents for major holidays or when we visit them. The grandparents are free to buy them age appropriate religious books and share their own beliefs and faith. The only boundaries I have are that they can’t teach my kids that their beliefs are better or more true than ours and they can’t disparage other religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are all baptized, had communion and confirmation. I don’t want to have to go to heaven while my grandkids are in hell

Go back under your bridge, troll.

+1 so transparent!

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Has op returned to their thread and given any details? I don’t see any further posts from op. No denomination given, no details about any convos with their own children discussing the grandchildren, just silence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone worry that their young grandkids are not baptized and taught in the church? Do you read bible stories to them? Baptize?

My sister's MIL is no longer allowed to be alone with her grandchildren because she attempted to take one to church to get baptized without consent, so there's that.

Really, how did they figure out her plan to stealth baptize her grandchild, and then stop her before it happened?

What church was it? I don’t know any pastor or priest that would baptize a child without clear consent of the parents and the parents present at the baptism.

+1000. No church anywhere would do this. A big part of baptism is bringing the child into church life, and part of the ceremony involves the parents agreeing to foster this. Without parental participation that’s impossible.

The moderator has already said (in the Feedback forum) that he strongly suspects this is a troll thread. Who spends their days thinking up scenarios involving imaginary SILs?

Illegal baptism rings exist country-wide. Grandmothers wearing disguises, frequenting rogue churches, forcing small, innocent children into illicit baptism ceremonies. Pastors and priests on the dole…baptizing kids for cash.

Don’t be a fool, pp. The extent of illegal baptisms may truly never be realized.

(That’s sarcasm btw. Whomever said her “SIL’s MIL” was plotting to baptize her grandchild w/o the parent’s permission will not reply with any details-because it’s a troll.)

Details -- as if the troll monger would believe details.

Trolls don’t give believable details, they just post a few highly inflammatory comments and let the speculation run rampant. Big clue that points to a fake post for the express purpose of spreading hate and bigotry against Christianity and Christians. Op has never identified themselves within their thread and answered any questions. Others have chimed in that no church would baptize a child without the permission and presence of the child’s parents. That’s definitely true. There is a process for baptism. People don’t just show up at their church and say baptize this child, and the child is immediately baptized without any questions being asked.

The trolls on this thread may not be aware of that fact, or enjoy engaging in bs and spend their time making up unbelievable stories about Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you talk to the children’s parents and then respect their boundaries. My husband was raised Catholic and I was raised United Methodist. We both went to church every week until we left for college. Our children are not baptized and do not go to church. We do not practice any religion.

We did send both kids to Baptist preschool and we would have no issue with grandparents taking the kids to church. We take the kids to church with the grandparents for major holidays or when we visit them. The grandparents are free to buy them age appropriate religious books and share their own beliefs and faith. The only boundaries I have are that they can’t teach my kids that their beliefs are better or more true than ours and they can’t disparage other religious beliefs.

This seems like a very open-minded approach.

Could be a troll post

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

Sure, Grandparents can try to surreptitiously get their grandkids baptized. It may not work, but they can try. They could just be innocently babysitting, then dash the kid off to a Catholic Church thinking that any priest would be more than happy to baptize the poor child of godless parents. Old people can have old ideas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

Sure, Grandparents can try to surreptitiously get their grandkids baptized. It may not work, but they can try. They could just be innocently babysitting, then dash the kid off to a Catholic Church thinking that any priest would be more than happy to baptize the poor child of godless parents. Old people can have old ideas.

It won’t work. Catholic people know they can’t just dash off to church and tell the priest to baptize a child on demand.

Where do you get your knowledge of baptism from? Where have you seen this scenario happen?

[Anonymous]

My mom does. I let her baptize my kids in the sink. It made her feel better. Anyone who thinks a kid will go to h3ll just because they aren’t baptized is drinking the kool aid imo. We do not go to church and will not. We teach our kids about god and Jesus and how to be good people. We don’t need friends or to pay for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

but they can try, especially if they think they're doing a good thing for the child.

Plus old people might not know that parental consent is needed. There are plenty to stories that could have filtered down from grandparents and great-grandparents about Jewish kids being secretly baptized during WWII.

No, they can’t try because no priest or pastor will do it without parental consent and participation. That would negate one of the main points of baptism.

When will you trolls stop lying. You’ve already been told this.

Sure, Grandparents can try to surreptitiously get their grandkids baptized. It may not work, but they can try. They could just be innocently babysitting, then dash the kid off to a Catholic Church thinking that any priest would be more than happy to baptize the poor child of godless parents. Old people can have old ideas.

My MIL did this with my youngest. We were walking on the grounds of the basilica abd she spotted a priest. She asked him to bless my son, which did. They he grilled me about why he’s not baptized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG, you do not baptize a kid without parental consent! That's an excellent way to lose access to your grandkids, among other things.

You should ask yourself why your adult children left the church. You should consider their values -- are they so different from yours, really? Are they good people, teaching their kids to be honest, kind, compassionate, etc.? Do you trust that you did a good job raising them?

No one can baptize a child without parental consent.

Not in a church. My brother went to a camp that wanted to re-baptize him and didn't want to allow a phone call home first.

I could see an over enthusiastic religious grandparent trying to do it in a scenario like that. The big group baptisms in a lake.