High School Boys Struggling at our Big 3

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

Why shouldn’t white men be judged based on being born white? Women are judged for being women and their shortcomings are defined by “not maleness” and minorities are judged by the color of their skin or not having an American accent.

So two wrongs make a right? Why can’t people be judged for who THEY are not what group they belong to?

+ 1 -Is it empowering to negate one class of people for another to feel vindicated for whatever wrongs they have internalized? That is not a solution to any inequity - real or perceived. There will be no winners - the pendulum will swing back and forth with no change.

Perhaps a taste of the wrong will spur genuine taste for change.

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This is why I lost my son to quasi radical right wingers.

What is a teen boy growing up in this day supposed to do.

It is heartbreaking. We are driving them towards Trump and similar views.

— A moderate D

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I lost my son to quasi radical right wingers.

What is a teen boy growing up in this day supposed to do.

It is heartbreaking. We are driving them towards Trump and similar views.

— A moderate D

You are supposed to be a parent and guide them. If you are losing a son to trumpism, that isn't the fault of lefties.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I lost my son to quasi radical right wingers.

What is a teen boy growing up in this day supposed to do.

It is heartbreaking. We are driving them towards Trump and similar views.

— A moderate D

You are supposed to be a parent and guide them. If you are losing a son to trumpism, that isn't the fault of lefties.

Do you have a 17 year old boy who grew up with Trump and the type of classes mentioned here? I do the best I can. He is much better than most boys his age.

Wake up, we are losing a whole generational of boys who are knee jerking to the other side. Wake up.

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I’ve been hearing the same. It’s ridiculous. We try to tell our kid to just ignore anything that smacks of ideology. For sanity’s sake we schedule all the medical appointments to coincide with the classes spewing dogma of any type.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I can see why you are concerned. Would it be possible for your son's contribution to the seminar to ask questions to flesh out the opinions being offered? It's so hard not to get defensive and feel defeated in these conversations, especially when people throw around ill-defined terms and snap judgments. However, when you drill down on what they are really saying, discussions become more substantive and less combative.


How do you define toxic masculinity? What specific examples of these behaviors have you observed in your life? This can be informative for your son.

You don't think that men should be heads of companies? Why? Do you believe this because you want to correct historical wrongs or because of characteristics that you think all men possess? Why would you ban all men?

Do any women who head companies possess these same characteristics you identified as toxic?

What behaviors in males do you see as positive and supportive of women and not toxic masculinity?

Your son could offer his own experience of a time when he felt pushed toward some gender norm that he wasn't comfortable with.

Unless the boys are articulate, they will end up being bashed for being a sexist.

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Anonymous wrote:What does your son think about it?

My son is at a very liberal and progressive school, and I can imagine similar conversations. But he agrees toxic masculinity is a problem, and he rejects it. He wants to be a different kind of man. So dissing toxic masculinity doesn’t hurt him - he rejects it too!

Hopefully he feels able in these conversations to say “hey, excluding men doesn’t feel like the right solution to toxic masculinity in the workplace. What if more men were xyz?” Or whatever he believes would help the world be a better place.

I think often when people who are part of demographic groups that have historically oppressed others hear criticism of oppression they feel targeted, but that’s kind of warped. I’m white, but I can reject white supremacy and identify with people dismantling it. Your son doesn’t have to identify with toxic masculinity - why would he want to?

That’s all fine for ones inner monologue, but has nothing to do with others biased rant sessions. You want an ideological emotional personal argument once a day in class with someone spewing out one-sides platitudes? After a couple of days of pleas such as the above most of the class shuts up and lets the loud ranters take over.

Are you also attending this class?

Read the school paper for years. Not a new concern.

We’re not there for the activism.

Then you picked the wrong school. Try the Right Wing Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

No one said you personally created it. You benefit from it.

Sounds like you need to take the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

No one said you personally created it. You benefit from it.

Sounds like you need to take the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

No one said you personally created it. You benefit from it.

Sounds like you need to take the class.

Look in the mirror, my friend. Every single person at GDS (and Sidwell and NCS/STA, etc.) benefits from it. These schools exist because people didn’t (don’t) want their children mixing with the children of “those” people. They had the money and power to build their own schools so they could pull up the gates against the unwashed masses. They are built on the ideas of exclusion and segregation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I lost my son to quasi radical right wingers.

What is a teen boy growing up in this day supposed to do.

It is heartbreaking. We are driving them towards Trump and similar views.

— A moderate D

You are supposed to be a parent and guide them. If you are losing a son to trumpism, that isn't the fault of lefties.

Parental guidance can only do so much. Do you remember what it's like to be a teenager?? Well meaning people are unable to see value of a little balance and the consequences not just in terms of young men's confidence but (especially) backlash. Now someone will say that these boys are so privileged and lucky they deserve whatever is coming.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose an all-boy school for high school for my sons.

Too much weird crap like that at our public MS.

It’s been fantastic and the boys are more open to expressing feelings and are very considerate and supportive of one another.

Exactly. Let’s help these rich white boys support each other in their rapey and discriminatory activities the way we have for centuries.

I find it hilarious that people all of a sudden want to protect their fragile little white boys. Minorities and to some extent white women have been told throughout history that they do not matter and are “less than” white men, through actual policies that matter in day-to-day life, not a dumb seminar class that the participants forget after a year. Now when there is a shift to the other extreme it’s all “Two rights don’t make a wrong! You’re going to drive these white boys towards Trump!” because the assumption is that white boys can’t handle someone calling them out, aggressively and unfairly, and don’t know how to respond productively other than shutting off and seething.

Interesting.

So you condemn a child you’ve never met based on their gender and race?

Where have we heard that before? Who else says that sort of thing? And about whom?

You more like the trumpians than you like to think.

So you’d like to ignore the problem and ban teaching about our reality because the one truly entitled group in this country is incapable of hearing it? You and your kids have no idea what it’s like to actually be targeted and suffer discrimination if this the extent of it. What little snowflakes you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

No one said you personally created it. You benefit from it.

Sounds like you need to take the class.

The class and proctor/teacher sound out of control and very low quality propaganda. If that’s cool with the schools administration, teachers, parents and whatever similarly divisive slacs or whatever they push their students towards then that’s their little system. Most people will steer clear or shut it out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a white male child, why would you ever send him to a school that makes them feel “white guilt” or they are a “male oppressor” as a 14 year old boy! All you parents that send your kids to these woke schools deserve what you are getting!

I send my white male child to a school that is explicitly pro-equity and inclusion. He doesn't feel white guilt. Why should he feel guilty about learning about systemic racism? He didn't create it! And he sure as heck doesn't want to be a part of it. He chooses to be part of the solution, not stick his head in the sand. He feels courageous and helpful and kind, not guilty. And no, he doesn't feel like a "male oppressor." He feels like a young man who sees women as equals, and recognizes that men AND women have been dealt a crappy hand by sexism. He sees what a limited range of emotions his dad was allowed to feel growing up, and how he is now teaching his dad how to be a more open and emotionally aware man. Its really sweet, and they really adore each other. And he sees that women have been excluded from power for oh, the last thousand years or so, and that correcting that may take a minute.

There is no guilt, no shame, and no disempowerment in any of that. I find it so odd that people think that recognizing oppression means you have to identify with the oppressors just because you happen to share their skin color or gender. Why would you do that?

That’s nice and good for him. But unfortunately regardless of how he feels, he will be judged by others and UMR as part of the problem. He will never be accepted and always looked negatively at for having white privilege. Your son will have to constantly virtue signal to fit in and will still be seen a part of the problem no matter how much he feels he is not.

At my college they had segregated classes for DEI. UMR where in one session and all “Whites” were in another section called “Unpacking Whitenss”. You can guess the school as is in the Boston area… basically the Unpacking whistles class basically taught that all whites are oppressors, have white privileged, and everything we do is destructive to society. And historical bad deeds we did are the root problem. Funny as I was born In another country and had nothing to do with systemic racism here.

In addition, being Jewish I’m am also listed as an “oppressed” class but since I’m white, I’m also and oppressor? Hmmmm

And coming from a former Soviet republic, being Jewish you were discriminated on a daily basis.

No one said you personally created it. You benefit from it.

Sounds like you need to take the class.

Look in the mirror, my friend. Every single person at GDS (and Sidwell and NCS/STA, etc.) benefits from it. These schools exist because people didn’t (don’t) want their children mixing with the children of “those” people. They had the money and power to build their own schools so they could pull up the gates against the unwashed masses. They are built on the ideas of exclusion and segregation.

Start your own thread. This one is on indoctrination and brainwashing of Pk-12.