Anonymous wrote:I was looking at some cross-admit data and I was shocked by how poorly JHU does in attracting students away from peer schools. Does anyone have any insight into why this might be?
Not true for Asian. This year Hopkins admits are 50% Asian.
Because this generation's applicants need to grind for 4-6 years to finally get into a top college, last thing they need is to grind more. This is why everyone wants Duke and Vanderbilt – whether they deserve it or not, they have the rep for being the fun schools while JHU and CMU are the grind schools.
These kids are also practical. They figure if you come out of CMU CS or eng, you start making good money right away, whereas after JHU, your reward is to grind more for another 4 years in med school and medical residence. What's the point when you could get into the same medical schools from easier but still amazing schools like Tufts, UVA in-state for less money or from Yale for higher prestige.
Anonymous wrote:Jhu should have a “looksmaxxxing” course that’s mandatory for all freshman and seniors.
A half credit course you take twice during your time there that teaches you looksmaxxxing concepts
It really is the only reason Jhu’s brand gets dinged.
It’s not because it’s 50% Asian. Have you seen the Asian baddies out in la and the bay?
East coast Asians just need some knowledge from their west coast cousins that they currently aren’t getting from their parents and east coast peers
I think PE should be the required courses there, every year.
Just my general observation. Can't comment on the boys. But girls there generally look okay, tired but okay.
Comes close to the lower Ivies, but can’t match them
Hopkins 49 Cornell 51
But as OP would probably admit, since JHU is ranked well above those schools, they aren’t the peers…right?
They aren’t going to beat out the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. Who does?
Well we already basically beat out Cornell, so all the Ivies can't be lumped together. And Duke beats out a ton of Ivies for cross-admits, so why can't we? We're ranked higher and we have better prestige than Duke.
Wait, are you talking about Hopkins? JHU undergrad is far less prestigious than Duke.
I'm talking about in general, including undergrad. For undergrad specifically, JHU is currently #7, tied with UPenn, on USNWR. Duke is #10.
Duke hasn't been ranked higher than Hopkins by USNWR, by far the most influential ranking source like it or not, since 2019 (which is a very long time for kids who are 16-18). Historically, I'd say you're probably right that Duke has been more prestigious name wise but the Hopkins association with the med school and hospital gives them something they may actually be the best at, which Duke doesn't have (Stanford and Harvard, for example, would be clearly better than Duke for undergrad and every major grad school). Both are great and elite overall but not in the very top group of universities.
Yes I'm agreeing with you, which is why I said JHU is #7 while Duke is #10 on USNWR which just further highlights JHU is in a different league than Duke. Finally someone else gets it, too many people on here are just ignoring the data.
GW man here again. It's clear you are insecure about Johns Hopkins and how it compares to the Ivy League, Stanford, and Duke for some reason, so let's put this to rest with some more "data." Before I provide the data, just a friendly reminder that none of what I'm about to share takes away from the fact that JHU is a fine institution and a great place for a kid to get an education. This is all stuff that could be found previously on here, but here we go:
JHU and Cornell match up pretty well, which is what several people before were saying, but you still seem to think JHU has far surpassed Cornell. All the data shows they're quite neck-and-neck both in rankings and cross-admits. Duke, on the other hand, blows JHU (and Cornell) out of the water in cross-admits and rankings. Interestingly, USNWR is Hopkins' best ranking out of all of them, and it's Duke's worst. It's impressive to say the least that Duke is ranked #10 on USNWR, but as you keep looking at other rankings it gets better and better, meaning USNWR is actually probably lowballing Duke. Are we done now? JHU is still a great school but you reek of insecurity.
Nice compiling. My comment on Cornell's financial aid policy kind of makes the same point without all the numbers. If we felt Hopkins was so much better for undergrad than us as the PP keeps seeming to claim, we would match their financial aid offers but we don't. To summarize and remind: "Cornell is unable to consider evaluating scholarship offers that are not from another Ivy League institution, Stanford, Duke or MIT or offers based on athletics and/or merit. Of the students who said where they planned to enroll, they most often chose the Ivies, Stanford, Duke or MIT over Cornell, Keane said. Princeton and Harvard were each the choice of 7 percent of accepted students who declined Cornell; UPenn and MIT were each the choice of 5 percent; Duke and Yale were each the choice of 4 percent; and Columbia, Stanford and Dartmouth University were each the choice of 3 percent." No mention of Hopkins for the schools outside the Ivy League. I however, have no qualms conceding Stanford, Duke, and MIT are overall better undergraduate institutions than Cornell. I've come to accept that without much difficulty.
I don't care about Cornell's financial aid policy or who they lose students to. The truth is JHU is way past Cornell for undergrad: we're #7 on USNWR while Cornell is way back at #17 on USNWR. That makes Cornell more like a backup option to us instead of an actual peer.
JHU's undergraduate peers are Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, and WashU. That's the reality that most of the metrics point to, whether you like it or not. You're not quite at the level of Yale, Penn, Duke, Columbia - that's it's own grouping.
This is only the grouping of a foreigner (or someone who didn't go to college) who obsessively reads USNWR.
Here's a real ranking:
Tier 1 - Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
Tier 1A - MIT and Caltech
Tier 2 - Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Duke, Northwestern, and begrudgingly Chicago
Tier 3 - Cornell, Penn, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Rice, the good publics like Berkeley and UVA, the good Catholic schools like ND and Georgetown
For SLACs, it's Williams and Amherst, then Swarthmore and maybe Pomona, then everyone else.
Oh, can I play too? Can I pull a ranking out of my rear and claim it has some authority?
Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore are the only LACs to ever be #1 by USNWR and all for multiple years, so most would agree there. Swarthmore tends to win head to head against the other 2 (Parchment wise anyway when kids are looking at LACs) but that could be partially because its location is preferable to most. Wellesley is also great and is right there with Pomona (and has better national name recognition as one of the Seven Sisters too).
The east coast bias against Berkeley is striking. It really does get grouped with Stanford and Harvard on the west coast. Most people there wouldn't see UVA or Michigan as even close.
At the West Coast HS of my DS, kids will choose UCLA over Cal.
a lot has changed since jhu’s financial aid removed loans. it wins against cornell, northwestern and is close against penn and several other ivies as well:
Anonymous wrote:This data is so fundamentally flawed.
According to parchment 28% percent choose Boston University of Harvard. 35% choose Michigan over Harvard. 22% choose Northeastern over Harvard. 40% choose UCLA over Harvard. 55% choose Florida over Harvard.
I mean this is the most junk data ever compiled.
Why is this not believable. Price matters, as well as only the top 1% of UF would even apply to Harvard and get in, to even have the choice.
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