Stanford apologizes for limiting Jewish students in 1950s

[Anonymous]

The posts in the beginning of this thread speaking to the atrocities committed by Stanford were completely ignored. The reality is none of you have any room to speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The posts in the beginning of this thread speaking to the atrocities committed by Stanford were completely ignored. The reality is none of you have any room to speak.

Pffft who gives a sh*t. That has absolutely no relevance to any student, professor, or administrator at Stanford today.

[Anonymous]

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

Nobody at Stanford today did anything wrong. Not a single Stanford admissions officer today denied admission to Jews in the 1950s. Therefore, an apology is meaningless. They can't "take responsibility" for something for which they were not responsible.

I am very definitely teaching my kids that there is no such thing as historical blood guilt. They are in no way responsible for any crime committed by members of their nation or ethnic group long before they were born, they have no obligation to apologize, and they must reject any efforts to make them feel guilty (not least because this is always part of an effort to shake the down for money).

[Anonymous]

Student body for Harvard and Stanford looks pretty similar.
I suspect Stanford is still practicing racial profiling, and possibly discriminating Asian applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

My ancestry includes Irish Catholic immigrants who faced awful discrimination in Boston. You know what though? When they finally earned enough to move to the suburbs and buy a house (pooling the resources of the family) they were able to do so. They were also eventually accepted as white just like the Italian immigrants. My spouses Jewish family were barred by restrictive covenants. Baltimore is close to DC and we have relatives still living who were barred from living in certain areas or buying houses because they were Jewish. We also have friends who are Black that are living who faced the same and were banned from swimming in pools in Baltimore because they were Black. My family which were Catholic immigrants from various countries were able to overcome the severe discrimination by the first generation born here. To the contrary my spouse's Jewish family members faced discrimination on arrival and their children and grandchildren faced it. The Irish Catholics faced that in Ireland from the English but the disrimination here was different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

LMAO you are totally off.
Nothing would be wrong with schools with 80% 90% Asians after fair non-discriminatory admission.
We currently have schools with 80% Blacks.

If your White kid doesn't like that, send somewhere else.
There are 3000+ schools for your kid to choose.
There are slso schools with 80 90% White.
Nobody cares about your choice.

The problem is there seems to be racial quotas and discrimination based on race. So schools like Harvard got sued and the case went to Supreme court. No individual should be racially discriminated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

So what Stanford did in the 50s was perfectly fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

WTF so the kids at schools with 80 90% Whites or 80 90% Blacks can't learn from peers, grow as an individual and can't collaborate woth others?

You sound like very White centered racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

Why? Why do you need to judge everyone by the color of their skin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

Howard is with 86% Blacks.
I'm sure you won't send your White kid there. Its perfectly fine because its your personal choice. However but I'm also sure the school is fine and the kids there are learning fine.
You are very racially biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

WTF so the kids at schools with 80 90% Whites or 80 90% Blacks can't learn from peers, grow as an individual and can't collaborate woth others?

You sound like very White centered racist.

Kids who go to schools that are 80-90% of one race, any race, are loosing out on a crucial part of education. Yes, that’s the truth. Sorry if you are so desperate for junior to go to Stanford or Harvard that you can’t see the value in having people of various backgrounds.