Stanford apologizes for limiting Jewish students in 1950s

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You need to read the materials from the Harvard suit. They rated Asian American students low on personality as a rule because they were Asian American, not because their application showed something specific to that person. That’s discrimination based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You need to read the materials from the Harvard suit. They rated Asian American students low on personality as a rule because they were Asian American, not because their application showed something specific to that person. That’s discrimination based on race.

Here's Harvard's response to your claims:

https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/fact-check-sffa-2/

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How do I explain it to Asian kids.
Education is important. Working hard is important.

You have to work harder to be at least treated equal in the country.
It's for greater good of like diversity and the nation, so little of discrimination is OK, suck it up.
However, don't work too hard, you might be viewed as emotionless robots.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Outrageous statement. Antisemitism is at an all time high in the US. I am not saying that anti-Asian bigotry is not a serious problem. This thread is about a historical policy of antisemitism. Posters have also commented about the fact that antisemitism is on the rise here. If you create a thread about the serious problem of anti-Asian bigotry, I would happily post my support of you. Just as I (a Gentile) support the fight against antisemitism.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You need to read the materials from the Harvard suit. They rated Asian American students low on personality as a rule because they were Asian American, not because their application showed something specific to that person. That’s discrimination based on race.

Here's Harvard's response to your claims:

https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/fact-check-sffa-2/

They didn't buy that so it went to Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Outrageous statement. Antisemitism is at an all time high in the US. I am not saying that anti-Asian bigotry is not a serious problem. This thread is about a historical policy of antisemitism. Posters have also commented about the fact that antisemitism is on the rise here. If you create a thread about the serious problem of anti-Asian bigotry, I would happily post my support of you. Just as I (a Gentile) support the fight against antisemitism.

not pp but the point is similar thing is happening in the 21st century after all the lessons from the history.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Outrageous statement. Antisemitism is at an all time high in the US. I am not saying that anti-Asian bigotry is not a serious problem. This thread is about a historical policy of antisemitism. Posters have also commented about the fact that antisemitism is on the rise here. If you create a thread about the serious problem of anti-Asian bigotry, I would happily post my support of you. Just as I (a Gentile) support the fight against antisemitism.

They are linked in that the same people are doing both. The "progressives" on campus hate Israel and by association Jews, and the "progressives" in admissions are the ones discriminating against Asian Americans today.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

Elite schools like CalTech and MIT are much more merit oriented. MIT reinstated test required.
They are probably still racial balancing to a degree, but the result of mostly merit based is like 40-50% Asian.
Nothing is wrong with that although some may don't like it because it has too many Asians for their taste and insisting on racial discrimination to keep Asians under 30%.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You need to read the materials from the Harvard suit. They rated Asian American students low on personality as a rule because they were Asian American, not because their application showed something specific to that person. That’s discrimination based on race.

Here's Harvard's response to your claims:

https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/fact-check-sffa-2/

They didn't buy that so it went to Supreme Court.

They did buy that. That's why it was appealed to the Supreme Court.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

Elite schools like CalTech and MIT are much more merit oriented. MIT reinstated test required.
They are probably still racial balancing to a degree, but the result of mostly merit based is like 40-50% Asian.
Nothing is wrong with that although some may don't like it because it has too many Asians for their taste and insisting on racial discrimination to keep Asians under 30%.

... which is basically the same that Stanford and others did against Jewish students.

And which incredibly many Jewish people today justify when done against Asian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You need to read the materials from the Harvard suit. They rated Asian American students low on personality as a rule because they were Asian American, not because their application showed something specific to that person. That’s discrimination based on race.

Here's Harvard's response to your claims:

https://www.harvard.edu/admissionscase/fact-check-sffa-2/

They didn't buy that so it went to Supreme Court.

They did buy that. That's why it was appealed to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court didn't buy Harvard's petition(basically what it says there) to reject the appeal by SFFA, hence we have the case in Supreme Court.