Stanford apologizes for limiting Jewish students in 1950s

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Here are bunch of schools with 70% 90% 90% Blacks.
https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/colleges-with-the-highest-percentage-of-black-non-hispanic-students/377/

However schools with 70% 80% 90% Asians would be wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are bunch of schools with 70% 90% 90% Blacks.
https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/colleges-with-the-highest-percentage-of-black-non-hispanic-students/377/

However schools with 70% 80% 90% Asians would be wrong?

HBCUs were formed because Blacks could not be admitted to other colleges. Most non-blacks choose not to go there because they wouldn’t feel comfortable. Personally I don’t think it’s the best choice for Blacks either, although I understand why some go — they want an environment where they don’t feel marginalized. I didn’t realize Asians have a similar historic context.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

WTF so the kids at schools with 80 90% Whites or 80 90% Blacks can't learn from peers, grow as an individual and can't collaborate woth others?

You sound like very White centered racist.

Kids who go to schools that are 80-90% of one race, any race, are loosing out on a crucial part of education. Yes, that’s the truth. Sorry if you are so desperate for junior to go to Stanford or Harvard that you can’t see the value in having people of various backgrounds.

LMAO so you have perfect ratio for your kid? Whats that?
60% White 20% Asian 10% Black 10% Hispanic? Something like that?
50% or 60% Asian would be wrong?

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This thread has jumped the shark.

Admissions to college is not a race in which there is a stopwatch and fastest person wins. The selection process is subjective and imperfect. This apology is about specific actions that were taken and previously denied.

It is possible to be concerned about all of the other wrongs that have been identified on this thread and also recognize that this is a good step. The whataboutism on this thread is deafening. Why is it so hard to consider the perspective of any group but your own?

Everyone is so ridiculously sensitive about the concept of being sensitive to any other group’s perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has jumped the shark.

Admissions to college is not a race in which there is a stopwatch and fastest person wins. The selection process is subjective and imperfect. This apology is about specific actions that were taken and previously denied.

It is possible to be concerned about all of the other wrongs that have been identified on this thread and also recognize that this is a good step. The whataboutism on this thread is deafening. Why is it so hard to consider the perspective of any group but your own?

Everyone is so ridiculously sensitive about the concept of being sensitive to any other group’s perspective.

Subjective and imperfect is fine.
Racial discrimination is not fine whether Jews, Asians, or whoever.

Apologizing and learning from the past is not to make same mistake again today and in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are bunch of schools with 70% 90% 90% Blacks.
https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/colleges-with-the-highest-percentage-of-black-non-hispanic-students/377/

However schools with 70% 80% 90% Asians would be wrong?

HBCUs were formed because Blacks could not be admitted to other colleges. Most non-blacks choose not to go there because they wouldn’t feel comfortable. Personally I don’t think it’s the best choice for Blacks either, although I understand why some go — they want an environment where they don’t feel marginalized. I didn’t realize Asians have a similar historic context.

In general Asians value education very much and put extra efforts.
So thats probably why they are over represented in many good colleges, and school like CalTech has close to 50% Asian. If it becomes 60% 70%, is it necessary a bad thing so we must avoid that?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are bunch of schools with 70% 90% 90% Blacks.
https://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/colleges-with-the-highest-percentage-of-black-non-hispanic-students/377/

However schools with 70% 80% 90% Asians would be wrong?

Silly post.

You must be the troll pretending to be Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.

Stanford apologized for what it did.

Administrators at Stanford apologized for what previous administrators did seventy years ago. So according to your logic that’s sufficient? The people who actually did it never apologized. And nothing else is being done.

As I said - performative wokeism.

Oh you didn't see this
"Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years."

So Stanford is Stanford regardless the administrators.
Harvard got sued not the individual administrators.

Harvard is sued because its current administrators are actively practicing discrimination in college admission.

again Harvard is sued not the current administrators.
If all the current administrators resigned, and we had whole new administrators, the lawsuit agains Harvard continues.

which is still irrelevant. Harvard isn't going to apologize in either situation. This is not about legal liability, it's about the necessity/use of apologizing for it.

The point is administrators are not what defines the entity whether Standford or Harvard, or whether apologized or sued.

and the original contention that this is just performative wokeism still stands. Why apologize for this? They're not doing anything, changing their behavior today or doing anything else that is concrete. It's putting on a show and apologizing to people who don't even know they might have been wronged.

Just because you are ignorant of history does not mean everyone is.

​“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905.

if they're so aware of it, why are they doing to Asian applicants exactly what they're apologizing for today?

The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

So would 60-65% Asian OK?
My Asian kid is currently attending Notre Dame where 65% is White.
Roommate is White. She's doing great so far and loves the school.
I hope your White kid is fine with 65% Asian school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

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The schools today are not imposing quotas or banning Asians. In fact, the number of Asians at these schools is sizable and well above their percent of the US population. So maybe your precious genius didn’t get it, but many many qualified Asians did. And many qualified candidates of other races did too. Like it or not, Asians are not the only people qualified to attend. Furthermore, it is in no one’s interest to have a school that is 70, 80, 90, 100% Asian, which is what some are asking for. I wouldn’t send my white kid to a school that is 70 plus % white. Nor would I send them to a school that is 70 plus % Asian. That is not the real world. In the workforce, your child will need to know how to collaborate with others from a different background or race. And so in college too there needs to be a variety of people, experiences, backgrounds, etc. That is what education is about. It’s not just about learning the material, but also learning from peers, growing as an individual, and learning to work and collaborate with a variety of people. If you want a school that’s 100% Asian, send your kid to school in China. But you don’t want to. You want what you see as a superior education for your kids. And one of the reasons why the universities in the US are so well regarded and viewed as superior is because they have a variety of people with different backgrounds and experiences.
I personally am not a fan of affirmative action. I agree it is unfair to see others with lower stats get in. But college shouldn’t be a completely homogeneous experience either. And so colleges do need to have some flexibility so they can create an environment that mimics the real world.

You say schools are not imposing quotas, then argue in favor of them to get diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

My grandmother, who had an ambiguous last name but an identifiably Jewish appearance, was hired for a job via mail. On the first day she showed up and they took one look at her and said “Miss B, we didn’t know you were Jewish” and sent her home.

She had dozens of stories like that. She wasn’t bitter, but she never forgot. The rest of America has, or never knew, or never cared.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Irish-Italian. My great-grandparents and grandparents were immigrants in the Irish slums and Italian ghettos —when do we get an apology? They faced severe discrimination “Irish need not apply” here in the US.

I’m always puzzled when intelligent people cite this argument. The acculturation process for immigrants from most countries in Europe, excluding Jews, was extremely different from others. Like one generation versus generations of systemic barriers.

I'm not the pp you quoted, but your response reveals your ignorance of the Irish immigration experience. Please educate yourself before embarrassing yourself again.

People who are familiar with the issue know that some groups (including Irish and Italian immigrants) were seen as “not quite white” and faced particular challenges and ALSO that that’s nothing like either the legacy of chattel slavery in this country nor the vigorously enforced antisemitic policies pursued in this country until a few decades ago.

This is simplistic. First off, be suspicious of anyone who lumps the enslavement of Africans in the Americas with anti-semitism. They are very distinct, just as the discrimination against certain European groups prior to 1960 is also distinct. Jewish people were never enslaved in the US. The closest thing to enslavement of Africans and their decedents in the US is the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Antisemitism is terrible but belongs in a different conversation than the institutional deprivation of an entire race of people of their freedom.

Second, you gloss right over how and why Irish and Italian immigrants "became" white in the US -- it was part of a systemic effort to reinforce racism against black people in the US as well as a way to quash workers movements that might have united oppressed groups. This is significant because white Jews in the US have undergone a similar process, as have some Asian groups (though that is made more complex by the size of Asian American populations in certain parts of the US which has entrenched racism views about Asians in a way that is actually most similar to how antisemitism grew across Europe before WWII, where Jews were viewed as too powerful and successful. The Jewish population in the US also experiences antisemitism but is too small at this point to garner this kind of reaction.

You have to do all the homework. It's complex.

There was systematic discrimination against Jews. Really and truly. If you want to learn more about it, there is an entire podcast devoted to the systematic discrimination against Jews in the Ivy League. My father was kept out of Princeton because he was Jewish. It pains me when people dismiss antisemitism. It shows a clear lack of any knowledge about it. Complete and utter ignorance. Do not explain it away. It was real. It is real. 6 million Jews were murdered in Europe and there are plenty of people living in the United States who would like to complete the job. If you try to explain that away, you are part of the problem.

Agreed.

anti-Semitism is a serious problem.

What is a more serious problem in US colleges today is anti-Asian bigotry.

Asians love to cry discrimination even when it’s not true so it’s hard to take these claims seriously. Cal tech, MIT, CMU are all roughly 50% Asian, if not more when you factor in international students. Yet those who don’t get in always blame discrimination. How about look around and say they chose others who they thought were a better fit. Why does it always have to be discrimination? It’s the victim mentality that people are reacting negatively to.

You're cuckoo. There's actual data out there that proves systematic discrimination against Asian Americans, that's a fact not even in doubt. What's in doubt is whether that's "fair" given the need for "diversity" and "holistic" admissions -- esentially the same excuses Stanford and others used against Jews in the 50s.