Student Behavior - Starting to Fall Apart?

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

Dear Parent, Thank you so much for emailing the principal about this. Seriously. Parents are the ONLY people most administrators listen to. Better yet, email the superintendent. File a class action suit. Something in this country has to change around special education laws. The right to FAPE that students with disabilities or potential disabilities have cannot come at the EXPENSE of everyone else's learning or safety. I'm a teacher who is looking for a job outside of education because it is all far too much. I can't deal, I'm out.

Unhinged, histrionic, frazzled, limited tolerance for stressful situations, weak cognitive reasoning skills, do yourself a favor and stick to working with kids l, zero chance you’d make it in the private sector. Seriously if you are having a nervous breakdown go out in disability, use the time to think about your next move. Maybe try floral arranging?

Wait a minute. Are you seriously attempting to argue that you in your private sector job have to keep 24+ children safe in an environment where people are throwing things? And you can’t touch the aggressor in anyway?
Is that what you are saying, that the private sector office work environment is similar in nature to a classroom of out of control kids?

I didn’t know black water still existed!

If you can’t command the respect of a bunch of kids… what are you going to do when your boss throws a stapler at your head. You are clearly too soft. The kids smell your fear. Get out!

Do bosses really throw staplers at their employees? Really? And if they do, which I doubt, you, as an adult,have recourse.

Ok, your turn...take over in a classroom, for a year, and try to teach when the kids are mildly or violently disruptive and don't stop when you tell them to. Try to teach when those kids throw things and destroy equipment and flip desks and hit other kids - and hit you. Try to teach while trying to keep the other kids safe and from erupting into chaos themselves because of the violent, disruptive kids' behavior. Try to teach in those situations when you have little to no recourse, little to no support from admin and parents...you basically are on your own.

Let's see how tough you are.

Honestly, you sound incredibly high-strung and a hot mess. Maybe you really should just quit. What are you waiting for?

Your classroom management skills sound non-existent. Perhaps there is something in your personality or background that causes you to become easily flustered, which might be causing you to overreact, and start talking too much and too fast in one of those high-pitched frantic voices. I'm getting that feeling from your writing. Like in your mind, when little Johnny gets an attitude, you immediately run through the worst-case scenario in your head. Johnny just talked out of turn, becomes Johnny is going to flip the desk, trip Becky, and pull out a knife and cut me... oh no react, react, react. Next thing you know you are trembling and screeching for help. Pushing Johnny out of the classroom because you can't deal, the problem is the kids are watching you and how you handle yourself.

Kids smell weakness. And they can be awful little savages you can't let them get the upper hand... I loved the book the Lord of the Flies. Everything I needed to know about kids... Stop being a Piggy and take control of your classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

Dear Parent, Thank you so much for emailing the principal about this. Seriously. Parents are the ONLY people most administrators listen to. Better yet, email the superintendent. File a class action suit. Something in this country has to change around special education laws. The right to FAPE that students with disabilities or potential disabilities have cannot come at the EXPENSE of everyone else's learning or safety. I'm a teacher who is looking for a job outside of education because it is all far too much. I can't deal, I'm out.

Unhinged, histrionic, frazzled, limited tolerance for stressful situations, weak cognitive reasoning skills, do yourself a favor and stick to working with kids l, zero chance you’d make it in the private sector. Seriously if you are having a nervous breakdown go out in disability, use the time to think about your next move. Maybe try floral arranging?

Wait a minute. Are you seriously attempting to argue that you in your private sector job have to keep 24+ children safe in an environment where people are throwing things? And you can’t touch the aggressor in anyway?
Is that what you are saying, that the private sector office work environment is similar in nature to a classroom of out of control kids?

I didn’t know black water still existed!

If you can’t command the respect of a bunch of kids… what are you going to do when your boss throws a stapler at your head. You are clearly too soft. The kids smell your fear. Get out!

Do bosses really throw staplers at their employees? Really? And if they do, which I doubt, you, as an adult,have recourse.

Ok, your turn...take over in a classroom, for a year, and try to teach when the kids are mildly or violently disruptive and don't stop when you tell them to. Try to teach when those kids throw things and destroy equipment and flip desks and hit other kids - and hit you. Try to teach while trying to keep the other kids safe and from erupting into chaos themselves because of the violent, disruptive kids' behavior. Try to teach in those situations when you have little to no recourse, little to no support from admin and parents...you basically are on your own.

Let's see how tough you are.

Honestly, you sound incredibly high-strung and a hot mess. Maybe you really should just quit. What are you waiting for?

Your classroom management skills sound non-existent. Perhaps there is something in your personality or background that causes you to become easily flustered, which might be causing you to overreact, and start talking too much and too fast in one of those high-pitched frantic voices. I'm getting that feeling from your writing. Like in your mind, when little Johnny gets an attitude, you immediately run through the worst-case scenario in your head. Johnny just talked out of turn, becomes Johnny is going to flip the desk, trip Becky, and pull out a knife and cut me... oh no react, react, react. Next thing you know you are trembling and screeching for help. Pushing Johnny out of the classroom because you can't deal, the problem is the kids are watching you and how you handle yourself.

Kids smell weakness. And they can be awful little savages you can't let them get the upper hand... I loved the book the Lord of the Flies. Everything I needed to know about kids... Stop being a Piggy and take control of your classroom.

DP. This might be the biggest crock of sh*t I have ever seen on this website. You can’t get control of emotionally disturbed kids if you can’t even touch them or isolate them. Both of which are now banned. These aren’t just typical kids testing limits. A young child who has violent outbursts has a serious emotional disturbance that is rooted in a neurological problem, severe trauma, or some combination. If you are ever able to talk to a teacher who has had kids like this, and who meets with the kid’s family and specialists working on their case, you would understand. You really are clueless.

[Anonymous]

It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

It’s the parents’ job to fend for them.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

bullshit

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

+1

In my experience it’s a trend that has been escalating over the last 10 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even in kindergarten kids are rolling their eyes and talking back.

Lots of back talk and over the top reactions to not getting their way. I’d usually have one difficult student but now I have 4-5. It’s a lot and it makes most days feel like a marathon.

Me at work to my 4th graders: “You have a lot of attitude for someone who doesn’t know how to subtract.”

Umm... you have 4th graders that don't know how to subtract? That seems the larger issue here.

Not the PP but just STOP! Student behavior is a huge issue and it gets in the way of good teaching and learning. Unless you are in the classroom trying to put out 5-7 behavioral fires before lunch and again after-Just STOP!

Exactly!

My DD's 4th grade class has had to evacuate the classroom TWICE this week. Just let that sink in. Today is Wednesday - a holiday - and both Monday and Tuesday they were evacuated. Why? An unruly student. Same student both times. And when they evacuate, it's not for short periods of time, either. DD said on Monday it was almost 2 hours, and the email from the teacher on yesterday's incident said that the students went to Miss M.'s classroom during the duration while her class was out of the room at art class. On Monday the students were taken to the library after 30 minutes when it appeared that they weren't going to get the student calmed quickly. DD said they were told to read books quietly but she said most kids just talked about the incident and all the things the student threw around the classroom.

So, 2 hours on Monday without any constructive learning. Then once the student was out of the room and the room was restored, there was another short period where the teacher talked with the kids about the incident to calm any fears, so maybe another 30 minutes of instruction gone. By then she said they did their math unit and it was the end of the day. So Monday my kid's day was independent reading & journal time, history, PE, lunch, recess, science for a bit until the incident happened, library for 2 hours, and a shortened math unit before dismissal.

This is now the 5th disturbance in her classroom since the school year started. Unacceptable and I know lots of parents spent today emailing the principal about just how unacceptable it is.

Dear Parent, Thank you so much for emailing the principal about this. Seriously. Parents are the ONLY people most administrators listen to. Better yet, email the superintendent. File a class action suit. Something in this country has to change around special education laws. The right to FAPE that students with disabilities or potential disabilities have cannot come at the EXPENSE of everyone else's learning or safety. I'm a teacher who is looking for a job outside of education because it is all far too much. I can't deal, I'm out.

Unhinged, histrionic, frazzled, limited tolerance for stressful situations, weak cognitive reasoning skills, do yourself a favor and stick to working with kids l, zero chance you’d make it in the private sector. Seriously if you are having a nervous breakdown go out in disability, use the time to think about your next move. Maybe try floral arranging?

Wait a minute. Are you seriously attempting to argue that you in your private sector job have to keep 24+ children safe in an environment where people are throwing things? And you can’t touch the aggressor in anyway?
Is that what you are saying, that the private sector office work environment is similar in nature to a classroom of out of control kids?

I didn’t know black water still existed!

If you can’t command the respect of a bunch of kids… what are you going to do when your boss throws a stapler at your head. You are clearly too soft. The kids smell your fear. Get out!

Do bosses really throw staplers at their employees? Really? And if they do, which I doubt, you, as an adult,have recourse.

Ok, your turn...take over in a classroom, for a year, and try to teach when the kids are mildly or violently disruptive and don't stop when you tell them to. Try to teach when those kids throw things and destroy equipment and flip desks and hit other kids - and hit you. Try to teach while trying to keep the other kids safe and from erupting into chaos themselves because of the violent, disruptive kids' behavior. Try to teach in those situations when you have little to no recourse, little to no support from admin and parents...you basically are on your own.

Let's see how tough you are.

Honestly, you sound incredibly high-strung and a hot mess. Maybe you really should just quit. What are you waiting for?

Your classroom management skills sound non-existent. Perhaps there is something in your personality or background that causes you to become easily flustered, which might be causing you to overreact, and start talking too much and too fast in one of those high-pitched frantic voices. I'm getting that feeling from your writing. Like in your mind, when little Johnny gets an attitude, you immediately run through the worst-case scenario in your head. Johnny just talked out of turn, becomes Johnny is going to flip the desk, trip Becky, and pull out a knife and cut me... oh no react, react, react. Next thing you know you are trembling and screeching for help. Pushing Johnny out of the classroom because you can't deal, the problem is the kids are watching you and how you handle yourself.

Kids smell weakness. And they can be awful little savages you can't let them get the upper hand... I loved the book the Lord of the Flies. Everything I needed to know about kids... Stop being a Piggy and take control of your classroom.

Not the poster you are speaking to but I had to laugh since you are the one going on and on....about nothing really. The poster you are talking to was at least more concise LOL what a pot stirrer you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

+1

In my experience it’s a trend that has been escalating over the last 10 years.

Yup before COVID!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

+1

In my experience it’s a trend that has been escalating over the last 10 years.

Yup before COVID!

Agree. Covid is a convenient excuse and the stress of the pandemic helped no one, but the behavior problems are being reported everywhere in the country, including in states and counties that were "doing it right" and stayed in person. There was a teacher panel interview that aired in 2018 where a bunch of teachers from various districts discussed the kinds of behaviors they were expected to deal with in regular classrooms. The number of discipline referrals in FCPS had been creeping up over the past 10-15 years, until the county decided that wasn't a good look and changed the guidelines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

Who exactly do you think shut down the schools? You really must be in denial about how much power teachers have. Many families wanted schools shut down. I was there as long as the building was open. Many of my coworkers were too. But keep blaming teachers for all of the problems with education and schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

+1

In my experience it’s a trend that has been escalating over the last 10 years.

Yup before COVID!

Agree. Covid is a convenient excuse and the stress of the pandemic helped no one, but the behavior problems are being reported everywhere in the country, including in states and counties that were "doing it right" and stayed in person. There was a teacher panel interview that aired in 2018 where a bunch of teachers from various districts discussed the kinds of behaviors they were expected to deal with in regular classrooms. The number of discipline referrals in FCPS had been creeping up over the past 10-15 years, until the county decided that wasn't a good look and changed the guidelines.

This is so true. All it takes is a quick search on this board even. I had a chair thrower and classroom destroyer in my class prior to covid, and haven’t had one since, but it’s definitely happening in other classrooms at my school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

Who exactly do you think shut down the schools? You really must be in denial about how much power teachers have. Many families wanted schools shut down. I was there as long as the building was open. Many of my coworkers were too. But keep blaming teachers for all of the problems with education and schools

I am wondering the same. Who are "y'all"?

We are a two teacher household (ES). We both went said we wanted to teach in-person when surveyed in the summer of 2020 and we went into the building every single day while students were online. A good number of other teachers were teaching from their classrooms and nobody I talked with preferred online instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

It’s the parents’ job to fend for them.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because y’all shut down the schools. All those promises of being there for the children vanished once teachers and the staff got afraid. And you left vulnerable kids to fend for themselves. So trust is greatly diminished. It’s going to take years, with the right approach. And as so far, the public schools haven’t changed much. So it may be never.

It’s the parents’ job to fend for them.

Not all parents do.

You see, many teachers know this. And for years they have been attentive to those kids. And then all of a sudden, poof, no more.