TJ Discrimination Case

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

Don't know if they did, but the scandal was all over the news.

Citation for that? If it was all over the news, surely you can link to some news stories.

Try google ....

Sorry, but no one can google stuff you're making up. If you're the one claiming that there was a cheating scandal, and it was all over the news, you need to pony up the evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most recent TJ classes had significantly less students in accelerated math sequences. Does anyone want to try and defend that is a characteristic of kids with more STEM talent?

I think they should keep the accelerated math requirement but Alg 1 in 7th is enough. You should be able to do a track the school actually offers vs having to be an exception to the rule to even be eligible

Yeah that's fine. Alg 1 in 7th means you are at least one level above in Math which should be a good indicator for acceptance at a STEM focused school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent TJ classes had significantly less students in accelerated math sequences. Does anyone want to try and defend that is a characteristic of kids with more STEM talent?

I think they should keep the accelerated math requirement but Alg 1 in 7th is enough. You should be able to do a track the school actually offers vs having to be an exception to the rule to even be eligible

Yeah that's fine. Alg 1 in 7th means you are at least one level above in Math which should be a good indicator for acceptance at a STEM focused school.

Of course Algebra I in 7th would be enough. There aren't enough kids in FCPS taking Algebra in 6th to come close to filling out a TJ class. The main reason I think it's super important to at least require 7th grade Algebra is that TJ admissions would be able to see the student's grades for all of Algebra and half of geometry when deciding on admissions. It's also a track that is completely accessible to every child in FCPS. A kid who got As in Algebra and half of Geometry is generally fine at the higher math levels. A kid who got As in M7H and only half of Algebra may not be able to handle the conceptual leaps made later in Algebra.

In the interest of not leaving kids behind who are otherwise capable, I would either make 7th grade Algebra open enrollment, make it easier for parents to appeal 7th grade math placement if the teacher endorses their child, or create some sort of summer packet/program to let kids who were close to the IAAT or SOL benchmarks to still take Algebra upon successful completion of the packet/program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Again, could you cite any news articles about this "scandal." I googled TJ admissions scandal and got nothing. I even added Curie to the search as well as "buying the test" and still came up with nothing other than dcum threads.

Even if a few kids memorized questions and brought them back to Curie, such that kids could see a couple demo questions and get some notion of what the test was like, that is bad enough on its own. There's no reason for you to continue lying and stating that the kids "bought the test" at prep school. There is a huge difference between seeing a couple questions and getting some prep on the style of test vs. buying the answers to the entire test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Happens all the time. At least the parents didn't bribe school officials or pay people to take the test or change the scores like many others did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

I remember seeing a piece about this on the news. It's amazing how low people will stoop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Happens all the time. At least the parents didn't bribe school officials or pay people to take the test or change the scores like many others did.

They bought their kids' early access to gain an advantage. Many complain about the changes, but it comes down to the fact that they could game admissions, and they miss it.

[Anonymous]

So to reiterate: There was a huge TJ cheating scandal where a bunch of kids were buying tests. It was all over the news and awful enough to influence the school board to change TJ admissions to fix this issue. Yet, you can't provide a single link to a news article about this cheating scandal, nor can you point to any comments by the school board about this cheating scandal as the cause for this new TJ admissions policy? Sounds legit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Happens all the time. At least the parents didn't bribe school officials or pay people to take the test or change the scores like many others did.

They bought their kids' early access to gain an advantage. Many complain about the changes, but it comes down to the fact that they could game admissions, and they miss it.

Your constant demonization of "they" is going to come back and bite the Democrats in the ass next year.

These clowns have mismanaged the schools for many years but somehow they think they'll regain support if they throw Asian kids under the bus and toss out TJ seats like candy to less qualified kids at schools with weak peer groups.

Most people don't give a rat's ass about TJ, but Asians live all over the county with kids at many schools and they've heard about the ugly bigots like Anderson, Corbett Sanders and Keys Gamarra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

Happens all the time. At least the parents didn't bribe school officials or pay people to take the test or change the scores like many others did.

They bought their kids' early access to gain an advantage. Many complain about the changes, but it comes down to the fact that they could game admissions, and they miss it.

Your constant demonization of "they" is going to come back and bite the Democrats in the ass next year.

These clowns have mismanaged the schools for many years but somehow they think they'll regain support if they throw Asian kids under the bus and toss out TJ seats like candy to less qualified kids at schools with weak peer groups.

Most people don't give a rat's ass about TJ, but Asians live all over the county with kids at many schools and they've heard about the ugly bigots like Anderson, Corbett Sanders and Keys Gamarra.

This again. Stop it, no Asian is going to abandon everything else they stand for and suddenly support Youngkin and his clan over TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

I remember seeing a piece about this on the news. It's amazing how low people will stoop.

#veryfakenews

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

They didn't. And did not raise it as a reason in the lawsuit either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did FCPS make any statement about needing reforms because people are buying the test at prep schools?

The scandal that prompted the board reforms was that kids were encouraged to memorize exam questions and report them back to Curie. Curie would teach the next group of kids, including the memorized questions from the previous year. This provided Curie with a copy of past exams, which would allow them to teach their students how to prepare for the specific types of questions asked on the exam.

Students and parents sign non-disclosure agreements where they agree not to discuss the test or test questions with anyone else. By memorizing and reporting the questions, the students violated that agreement. By teaching new students using those questions, Curie provided those students with a leg up on the exam because the students had already practiced the questions.

#veryfakenews

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So to reiterate: There was a huge TJ cheating scandal where a bunch of kids were buying tests. It was all over the news and awful enough to influence the school board to change TJ admissions to fix this issue. Yet, you can't provide a single link to a news article about this cheating scandal, nor can you point to any comments by the school board about this cheating scandal as the cause for this new TJ admissions policy? Sounds legit.

Not PP but this sums it up: the allegations of test cheating were rumors (maybe true maybe not) but it was a fact that a single prep center accounted for a huge share of a TJ class.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f4289cac951f24569ad9488/t/5f74fa07543b4848ab84df86/1601501712383/TJAAG-RecommendationsReport-2020September.pdf

“The TJ test is “preppable.” In fact, the majority of students currently accepted to TJ have taken some form of test prep prior to TJ. In 2020, 96 students were accepted into TJ from one test prep center alone (see Figure 8). ”