Student walkout

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

If a teacher has a student whose parents are from Vietnam and the child has the Vietnamese name "Huong" but prefers to go by "Emily", the teacher isn't allowed to call her "Emily"? Number 2 only allows it if the nickname is one that is commonly associated with the name on record. Number 4 only allows a different name if the parent has instructed in writing due to the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin was my first republican vote ever. Love that guy. Parents should know what’s going on in schools. It’s just common sense. The more democrats try to deny common sense, the more people like me say “bye”.

I doubt that, unless that was the first you’d ever voted at all.

[Anonymous]

Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

If a teacher has a student whose parents are from Vietnam and the child has the Vietnamese name "Huong" but prefers to go by "Emily", the teacher isn't allowed to call her "Emily"? Number 2 only allows it if the nickname is one that is commonly associated with the name on record. Number 4 only allows a different name if the parent has instructed in writing due to the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

As long as the genders match it doesn’t matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

So girls should not mention they are girls and boys should not mention they are boys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Under his policy, parents cannot authorize the use of a different name or pronoun. They need to provide legal documents. Why do Republicans want the state to control everyone? Why did Youngkin say kids belong to their parents? Kids are not property. They have a right to have their own feelings especially when so many trans kids are rejected by their parents. Schools should be safe places for all kids. And what happened to limited government and local control? Fairfax voters did not vote for Youngkin - he lost by a lot here. Let localities decide.

How does this work? For example, if Robert wants to go by “Junior” or “JR” because that’s his nickname at home but not his birth name, his parents have to change it legally?

Not really cause it’s still a boy name.
But if he wanted to be called Roberta or something else then yes

That seems like the kind of discrimination that will get you sued. If Mary can go by her nickname, but Joe can not be called Jane then the policy is no facially neutral.

This is what that section says: (see 2 and 4)

D. Identification of students:
1. Every effort should be made to ensure that a transgender student wishing to change his or her means of address is treated with respect, compassion, and dignity in the classroom and school environment.

2. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only (i) the name that appears in the student’s official record, or (ii) if the student prefers, using any nickname commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record.

3. [School Division] personnel shall refer to each student using only the pronouns appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record - that is, male pronouns for a student whose legal sex is male, and female pronouns for a student whose legal sex is female.

4. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (2) and (3) of this section, [School Division] personnel shall refer to a student by a name other than one in the student’s official record, or by pronouns other than those appropriate to the sex appearing in the student’s official record, only if an eligible student or a student’s parent has instructed [School Division] in writing that such other name or other pronouns be used because of the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

5. Any written instruction from a parent or eligible student under paragraph (4) of this section shall be memorialized in the student’s official record and subject to the same retention, disclosure, and confidentiality requirements as the official record itself. The legal name and sex of a student shall not be changed, even upon the written instruction of a parent or eligible student, except as specified in section (C)(2).

6. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (4) of this section, [School Division] shall not compel [School Division] personnel or other students to address or refer to students in any manner that would violate their constitutionally protected rights.

7. No policy, guidance, training, or other written material issued by the [School Division] may encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender.

If a teacher has a student whose parents are from Vietnam and the child has the Vietnamese name "Huong" but prefers to go by "Emily", the teacher isn't allowed to call her "Emily"? Number 2 only allows it if the nickname is one that is commonly associated with the name on record. Number 4 only allows a different name if the parent has instructed in writing due to the student’s persistent and sincere belief that the student’s gender differs from his or her sex.

As long as the genders match it doesn’t matter.

It matters if the nickname is one that isn't commonly associated with the name that appears in the student’s official record. My mom's name is Marie. She grew up with the nickname "Cookie" because when she was born her father said she looked like a little cookie. Her family still refers to her sometimes as "Cookie". I wouldn't say her nickname is one that is commonly associated with her legal name on record.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

So girls should not mention they are girls and boys should not mention they are boys?

Dp

That's got nothing to do with academics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

Nope. It's actually the majority, silent or not. Which is why Youngkin won the election.

He lost Fairfax by a lot and won the state by a little. The man has no mandate and certainly has no mandate in Fairfax. He needs to keep his political aspirations out of our local schools.

+1

Youngkin won statewide by 80,000 votes DESPITE losing Fairfax by a lot, and DESPITE the fact that Virginia went for Biden by 10 points just one year earlier.

That is a big mandate to turn the tide. A lot of people woke up between 2020 and 2021, when they saw what a cliff the Ds are driving us over.

Bless your heart. No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

It’s no longer at teacher discretion, the parents have to be involved. Teachers call the children the name on their legal record, pronouns determined by sex on birth certificate. Parents can request a change but teachers don’t have to call them something different if they don’t want to. If you are fearful of the safety of the student telling the parents then you contact CPS. You’re not allowed to call them a different name unless the parents give you that permission or a child is emancipated or of legal age. You’re also not trained to deal with serious gender issues or home family issues based on one sided reports from a student so this makes sure you stay in your lane.

Who cares what the teachers “want?”

And teacher who won’t abide by the basic human decency to address a child as they want to be addressed has no business teaching and should be fired. Honestly, they should be ARRESTED and jailed

[Anonymous]

Y’all know Youngkin sends his kids to woke private schools, yes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin was my first republican vote ever. Love that guy. Parents should know what’s going on in schools. It’s just common sense. The more democrats try to deny common sense, the more people like me say “bye”.

You must be a man and have boys to be so nonchalant with the health care of women in your life.

Common sense is not what you are after if you support Youngkin after Dobbs.

Power and control is what you are after. You are painting that over by saying “common sense” but it is white male control narrative you want to maintain.

Parents can always know what is going on in the schools--there are SO many opportunities to get involved, have your voice heard. You didn't need Youngkin to do that, you always could. Every teacher and admin email is available. But that doesn't mean you get to decide all that is going on in the schools--you get to share your voice, but there are a lot of competing perspectives. You do have more authority over your own kid--you can opt out of FLE, of SEL and testing etc. But no person can't dictate what the schools do or don't teach regardless of who you vote for. To date, you have exactly ZERO more or less power over what schools teach overall than you used to before Youngkin. Because we are a community where people want different things.

If this new proposed policy holds, if you kid is experimenting with gender they will likely become closeted (which may be what you want) and you will never find out if they wanted to be called a different name. If you were worried your kid was going by a different name at school and what that revealed about their identity, you could have always gone and talked to your kid, talk to the teachers and find out. You could have always made a request that they call them by their birth name. Did you try that? Why not? Why do you need a governor to wade into this rather that have a relationship with your child and their teachers? Why are you making other parents who want to give their children freedom have to put their children's gender identity changes into a permanent record?

If you really think this is about your rights as a parent, really examine yourself and ask what you've done before you are pleased you've elected a governor that is trying to limit others' rights. He has given you NO new rights, he's just hurting others.

He’s making sure teachers don’t keep overstepping parental rights that are already established.

Except that his proposal also says that if I, the parent, DO fill out the paperwork and DO provide the documentation, a teacher or administrator can choose not to recognize my child’s name and/or gender as I designate it if they find it objectionable. So really, only the rights of some parents are being upheld.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of people who actually agree with the policy. Schools should never keep information about kids from parents.

Not lots. That’s a fringe perspective.

No it’s not feint just because you don’t agree with it. Also, did the “fringe” get Youngkin elected?

The majority got Youngkin elected.

I voted for Youngkin because I reject Terry McAuliffe’s school policy, exemplified by:

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

His view is so offensive! As a parent, I do care what schools are teaching my children.

Then you should go private or homeschool. Public school is not here to cater to your individual preferences.

There are current federal and state laws that protect a parent’s right to raise their child and those rights extend into the school.

SO why can't you just write that you want your child to be referred to by their birthname or your own list of nicknames and not have this 20 page policy making all these rules about others. And for teachers, they go by the school record if a parent wants it, or use their discretion to go by the official school record or what a student requests if parents haven't submitted a letter. Why are you trying to control what OTHER parents do?

It’s no longer at teacher discretion, the parents have to be involved. Teachers call the children the name on their legal record, pronouns determined by sex on birth certificate. Parents can request a change but teachers don’t have to call them something different if they don’t want to. If you are fearful of the safety of the student telling the parents then you contact CPS. You’re not allowed to call them a different name unless the parents give you that permission or a child is emancipated or of legal age. You’re also not trained to deal with serious gender issues or home family issues based on one sided reports from a student so this makes sure you stay in your lane.

Who cares what the teachers “want?”

And teacher who won’t abide by the basic human decency to address a child as they want to be addressed has no business teaching and should be fired. Honestly, they should be ARRESTED and jailed [/quote]

The bolded and italicized quote is exactly why this updated policy by Youngkin is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Who decides who is experimenting and who is fully aware of who they are?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids shouldn’t be “experimenting” with gender identity at school and teachers shouldn’t be encouraging it. School is for academics. Let’s keep the focus where it needs to be.

Who decides who is experimenting and who is fully aware of who they are?

Anybody can "decide" in their minds what they believe - the child, the teacher, the parent, a stranger.

Who should make decisions for the welfare of children? Their parents or legal guardians.

[Anonymous]

I will call my students what they ask me to call them, because that is a basic sign of respect and dignity.

If that gets me fired, so be it. It will be worth it compared to deadnaming a kid and knowing I am causing a kid pain every day.