Oakton crash

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Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

If the BMW was not speeding, it would not have ricocheted off the car and hit pedestrians. SPEED KILLS. If you are going to speed limit, you have time to react. OR, it would have been a 2 car accident with no pedestrian deaths.

The Post article describes the accident well. A witness said the BMW was driving really fast and blaring its horn as it approached the intersection where the Toyota has waited for the girls to cross. The bmw should have been driving slower so it could brake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

If the BMW was not speeding, it would not have ricocheted off the car and hit pedestrians. SPEED KILLS. If you are going to speed limit, you have time to react. OR, it would have been a 2 car accident with no pedestrian deaths.

The Post article describes the accident well. A witness said the BMW was driving really fast and blaring its horn as it approached the intersection where the Toyota has waited for the girls to cross. The bmw should have been driving slower so it could brake.

Blaring his horn when he should have been braking. He was just too important cruising at 80 MPH in his brand new BMW that daddy bought him. He couldn't be concerned with actually braking for anybody.

I don't even need to know him to know that this kid probably is more upset that his car is totaled than the fact that he has cut two lives short. I hope he gets significant jail time.

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Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

If the BMW was not speeding, it would not have ricocheted off the car and hit pedestrians. SPEED KILLS. If you are going to speed limit, you have time to react. OR, it would have been a 2 car accident with no pedestrian deaths.

The Post article describes the accident well. A witness said the BMW was driving really fast and blaring its horn as it approached the intersection where the Toyota has waited for the girls to cross. The bmw should have been driving slower so it could brake.

Blaring his horn when he should have been braking. He was just too important cruising at 80 MPH in his brand new BMW that daddy bought him. He couldn't be concerned with actually braking for anybody.

I don't even need to know him to know that this kid probably is more upset that his car is totaled than the fact that he has cut two lives short. I hope he gets significant jail time.

You can make whatever judgments about this boy you want but that is unlikely.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake lane has a 35 MPH speed limit but people regularly go 50 to 55 MPH. I was ticketed going 50 on Blake without even trying. I betting it was the rain and the BMW hydroplaned after the afternoon storm. Sad news for the kids. Oakton HS is my base school.

Congrats on regularly speeding near a school.

+1000

I hope the PP thinks twice before doing it again. Just because others do it doesn’t make it right. Goodness gracious.

NP here - are you familiar with Blake Lane? It's a 4-lane divided road - it's one of those places where it "feels" like the speed limit should be 45. And the school is nearby, not directly on Blake Lane. Please note - NONE of this excuses the reckless driving, but just pointing out - if you didn't know the school, you probably wouldn't know it was nearby.

Hmm.. to anyone who actually LIVES along Blake Lane, it sure doesn't "feel" like a 45 mph. It "feels" to me like my residential neighborhood where people need to effing slow down. Nothing bad will happen if it takes you a few more minutes to get to Chik-Fila. We are all responsible for creating a safe environment.

I live near this road too and I am amazed at the number of accidents that occur along it. It definitely needs traffic calming measures weather that means more lights and timing them so that you have to to stop every block or so in a way that forces drivers to think about another route if they are in a hurry (Vienna clearly does this and the effect I don’t drive through unless I absolutely have too.) or planting trees in the median which has been shown to gsr people to slow down. Look less like a highway and more like a neighborhood road.

Personally, I’m hoping that 66 construction completion will encourage more people to not cut through on Blake to Jermantown on the way to somewhere else.

The traffic is so bad on that road and with new development at the AT&T site it’s only going to get worse.

The community can petition for speed bumps.

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I don't know what possible benefit comes from any of us passing judgement on the driver. None of us knows anyone's heart or motivation.

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Anonymous wrote:As of its 5:22 p.m. update, the Post is identifying the teen pedestrians as Oakton HS students. Here is part of that article:

Two Oakton High School students were killed and another was critically injured Tuesday when two vehicles collided and spun out of control at an intersection where the youths were walking, Fairfax County police said.

The victims, all teenage girls, were a block from their school, police said. This is the final week of the school year at Oakton and Tuesday was an early-release day, with classes ending at 11:30 a.m., shortly before the fatal accident.

The crash occurred about 11:46 a.m. at Blake Lane and Five Oaks Road in the Oakton area, on the opposite side of Route 66 from the school, according to Maj. Eli Cory, a police spokesman. He said the three girls, whom he did not identify, were taken to a hospital, where authorities later said two of them were pronounced dead. He said the third student’s injuries were “life-threatening."


The driver and a passenger from one of the vehicles, who also are juveniles, were injured but not seriously, he said. It was unclear if they also went to Oakton.

Cory said a BMW was traveling south on Blake “at a very high rate of speed” while the driver of a Toyota 4Runner, headed north on Blake, was attempting to turn left onto Five Oaks. The BMW stuck the 4Runner, then “ricocheted off the side of the road, hit the three pedestrians, hit a pole on the side of the road and finally came to rest down the street,” he said.

The three girls were walking along Blake and had just crossed Five Oaks before the 4Runner’s driver tried to make the turn, Cory said.

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The article does continue after that but that's the gist of it. So sad about the students killed--we have dear friends with an Oakton grad this year and this is sickening.

Everyone harping on the BMW driver, sounds like 4Runner misjudged the timing needed for the left hand turn directly in front of the BMW. BMW had no time to stop - even if they weren't speeding.

It doesn't matter who caused the accident, if the BMW hadn't been speeding, they may still have hit the Toyota but they wouldn't have hit and killed the girls. Full stop.

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The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

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What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what possible benefit comes from any of us passing judgement on the driver. None of us knows anyone's heart or motivation.

Oh come on. His reckless driving killed 2 girls and left a 3rd fighting for her life.

His initial concerns were that his Dad was going to be upset. He sat in someone's yard as his young victims lay dying and lamented that his Dad was going to be upset.

His friends saw the girls dying and fled the scene.

I think we know these kids' heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

[Anonymous]

Oakton is our base HS - my daughter is going there next year. Have heard from her that the three girls were freshman. The driver of the BMW may have been a Senior who just graduated from Oakton this past weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:It's very unlikely the BMW driver is 18 because seniors already graduated and they aren't expected to be at school this week.

Could be an older junior held back/starting K late. I know of some juniors who are starting to turn 18.[/quote

Yeah red shirting is a thing here. Lots of 19 year old seniors.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

Drinking or smoking weed. If they were drinking they would find bottles/cans in the car.

Shame on them for fleeing the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel full on rage at this BMW driver. I seriously hope he goes to jail for 15 years. I hope his family goes broke. I hope he never gets to experience happiness again.

I hope the parents get some jail time as well.

For the driver, involuntary manslaughter, the least!

That is not going to happen.

Best you can hope for is bankruptcy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

THIS!

I'm sickened by seeing posts here piling on the Toyota driver for, gasp, trying to make a left turn. Who are these PPs acting as if the BMW going 80 to 100 shares any culpability here?

I guess none of those here who are trying to shift blame onto the Toyota driver have ever had the experience of starting to make a turn, seeing a vehicle in the distance and judging that there is time and space to make the turn -- only to realize suddenly that the vehicle is going FAR faster than you could tell visually at the distance involved. Looking at an oncoming car, if it's far enough away, you cannot necessarily judge that it's speeding at that point, you just see it and judge based on distance, not knowing that the vehicle will close the distance gap between you much, much faster than it appears it will.

The investigation will tell for sure if the Toyota driver has any culpability, but as others have noted, the high speed of the BMW will be key. If the BMW had not been speeding so very fast, it likely might not have bounced off the Toyota and gone up on the sidewalk where it killed those poor teens.