Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

Drinking or smoking weed. If they were drinking they would find bottles/cans in the car.

Shame on them for fleeing the scene.

Sure but are you really surprised? We'd like to think all of our kids would do the right thing. Certainly a lesson I'm using. Panicked teenager perhaps under the influence really going to be thinking straight?

[Anonymous]

I see adults driving way over the speed limits and driving aggressively every day in the DMV. Kids are watching and learning from adults driving. If you drive over the speed limits just STFU. This hand ringing is so disingenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see adults driving way over the speed limits and driving aggressively every day in the DMV. Kids are watching and learning from adults driving. If you drive over the speed limits just STFU. This hand ringing is so disingenuous.

You see adults driving 100 mph on secondary roads on a regular basis?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

The other rumor is that the driver told them to flee, as it would be "bad for his insurance rates" if he had more people in the car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see adults driving way over the speed limits and driving aggressively every day in the DMV. Kids are watching and learning from adults driving. If you drive over the speed limits just STFU. This hand ringing is so disingenuous.

You see adults driving 100 mph on secondary roads on a regular basis?

DP. I think I've seen someone driving 100 mph once or twice in my life, on a freeway. Never on a secondary road, not even anywhere near 100 mph. Not even near 80 mph.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

The other rumor is that the driver told them to flee, as it would be "bad for his insurance rates" if he had more people in the car.

More like bad for him legally because he was limited to one unrelated minor passenger.

[Anonymous]

I live near Blake Lane and am part of a community group that provides input to Palchik and VDOT on safety issues along this stretch of road. Basically, VDOT did a study and put up some signs but a lot more needs to be done. It was pretty obvious during the community meetings that VDOT wasn’t wanting to do anything meaningful. The police sit along this road sporadically. But enforcement is pretty lax. People fly up and down the road in the evenings especially. You can hear them coming a long way off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

THIS!

I'm sickened by seeing posts here piling on the Toyota driver for, gasp, trying to make a left turn. Who are these PPs acting as if the BMW going 80 to 100 shares any culpability here?

I guess none of those here who are trying to shift blame onto the Toyota driver have ever had the experience of starting to make a turn, seeing a vehicle in the distance and judging that there is time and space to make the turn -- only to realize suddenly that the vehicle is going FAR faster than you could tell visually at the distance involved. Looking at an oncoming car, if it's far enough away, you cannot necessarily judge that it's speeding at that point, you just see it and judge based on distance, not knowing that the vehicle will close the distance gap between you much, much faster than it appears it will.

The investigation will tell for sure if the Toyota driver has any culpability, but as others have noted, the high speed of the BMW will be key. If the BMW had not been speeding so very fast, it likely might not have bounced off the Toyota and gone up on the sidewalk where it killed those poor teens.

I can’t believe some of you are blaming the Toyota driver. Reminds me of the driver speeding on River Road who killed 3 member of a Whitman family making a left turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

This, I'm sure he mistyped the turn because that is a crazy excessive speed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

The other rumor is that the driver told them to flee, as it would be "bad for his insurance rates" if he had more people in the car.

What? IF this is true there is a lot more going on with the driver. Anything from a condition where appropriate responses do not occur to a deficit that impacts him in the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see adults driving way over the speed limits and driving aggressively every day in the DMV. Kids are watching and learning from adults driving. If you drive over the speed limits just STFU. This hand ringing is so disingenuous.

You see adults driving 100 mph on secondary roads on a regular basis?

100mph is unlikely on Blake Lane. Even at 60 mph it would take about 20 car lengths to stop. Adults drive too fast all the time, why do we expect kids to obey the speed limits? I have heard my own young drivers say they drive faster when other cars are speeding because they must keep up with the flow of traffic. Which is dangerous but that's how kids think. Adult driver are supposed to be more experienced, so they follow their lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

The driver of the 4Runner should have depth perception. You can tell if a car or anything is coming at you fast.. imagine a baseball... it's the difference between catching and ducking. You can tell the car is coming at you fast... you simply can tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

The other rumor is that the driver told them to flee, as it would be "bad for his insurance rates" if he had more people in the car.

I don't believe this for one second. Not one. No way the driver said that. And, no way YOU know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

THIS!

I'm sickened by seeing posts here piling on the Toyota driver for, gasp, trying to make a left turn. Who are these PPs acting as if the BMW going 80 to 100 shares any culpability here?

I guess none of those here who are trying to shift blame onto the Toyota driver have ever had the experience of starting to make a turn, seeing a vehicle in the distance and judging that there is time and space to make the turn -- only to realize suddenly that the vehicle is going FAR faster than you could tell visually at the distance involved. Looking at an oncoming car, if it's far enough away, you cannot necessarily judge that it's speeding at that point, you just see it and judge based on distance, not knowing that the vehicle will close the distance gap between you much, much faster than it appears it will.

The investigation will tell for sure if the Toyota driver has any culpability, but as others have noted, the high speed of the BMW will be key. If the BMW had not been speeding so very fast, it likely might not have bounced off the Toyota and gone up on the sidewalk where it killed those poor teens.

I can’t believe some of you are blaming the Toyota driver. Reminds me of the driver speeding on River Road who killed 3 member of a Whitman family making a left turn.

No one is blaming anyone. The 4Runner driver can easily see how fast the car is coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the passengers who flee the scene?

Shame on them!

There is a rumor circulating that the passengers had been drinking.

The other rumor is that the driver told them to flee, as it would be "bad for his insurance rates" if he had more people in the car.

What? IF this is true there is a lot more going on with the driver. Anything from a condition where appropriate responses do not occur to a deficit that impacts him in the same way.

sounds like a spoiled teenager to me.