One D.C. stop-sign camera brought in $1.3 million in tickets in 2 years

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

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Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

That doesn't debunk anything. I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets. What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created. Those rules are not in the law. They are an approximation.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

Nice trolling. But if you think living in the city means having to accept crazy idiots going 50+ in a 25mph zone while checking their phone...

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

That doesn't debunk anything. I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets. What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created. Those rules are not in the law. They are an approximation.

Yes, it absolutely does debunk it. One individual whiner on Nextdoor started this rumor that the only way to avoid a ticket was to stop 5 feet behind the line for four full seconds.
He insisted he was a good driver and moaned about how he stopped normally and still got ticketed, and a bunch of credulous commenters fell for it and got on soapboxes about Big Gubment Going Too Far!!!!

200 posts later he posted finally the video from his ticket. He didn't make a full stop at all, let alone behind the line, let alone for 3.5 seconds. He rolled right through the stop sign and got a ticket because he broke the law. He LIED. He disproved himself. You're still championing him because that's the kind of sea lion you are. Always side with the aggrieved white male who doesn't think the rules apply to him, then demand that other people disprove your fallacious position. Nah.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

That doesn't debunk anything. I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets. What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created. Those rules are not in the law. They are an approximation.

Yes, it absolutely does debunk it. One individual whiner on Nextdoor started this rumor that the only way to avoid a ticket was to stop 5 feet behind the line for four full seconds.
He insisted he was a good driver and moaned about how he stopped normally and still got ticketed, and a bunch of credulous commenters fell for it and got on soapboxes about Big Gubment Going Too Far!!!!

200 posts later he posted finally the video from his ticket. He didn't make a full stop at all, let alone behind the line, let alone for 3.5 seconds. He rolled right through the stop sign and got a ticket because he broke the law. He LIED. He disproved himself. You're still championing him because that's the kind of sea lion you are. Always side with the aggrieved white male who doesn't think the rules apply to him, then demand that other people disprove your fallacious position. Nah.

WTF are you talking about? Sea lion? Aggrieved white male? What kind of crazy pants fantasies are in your head?

Let me be slow and clear. I DGAF about that individual. I have not seen any of the videos. I care about one thing and am arguing one thing only. Code is not law. Code cannot replace subjective rules because code cannot be subjective. "Complete" is a subjective term. Objective code determines what does or does not trigger a ticket. The law and the code have to be the same if code is being used to enforce a law and law has to be transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who lives on a corner where people constantly blow through the stop sign, I think the argument "images show the brake lights were on" is idiotic. Plenty of people slow down at stop signs (brake lights!) without stopping. It's not a slow down sign.

Make a complete stop, behind the line. If that seems outrageously onerous to you, you're a bad driver. These stop signs are in residential neighborhoods and I don't care that you're in a hurry.

I don’t care that you choose to live in a city on a busy road. So there’s that. It’s onerous and a money grab.

Well then go fishtailing in your boring suburb. We don't want your road rage here.

Also, I'd rather have DC raise fines on crazy speeders so that ordinary residents don't have to pay as much in taxes. Seems like an excellent tradeoff

DP but if your goal is to prevent traffic on your busy street in the city, it sounds like the suburbs may actually be the environment you are looking for?

Serious question.

They aren't ticketing people for driving. They're ticketing people for driving poorly and breaking the law. You keep crying about "busy streets" and "traffic" but neither is at issue.
Stop at stop signs. Do it in my city neighborhood and in suburban neighborhoods where I don't care to live. Because it's the law. At the very least, if you can't be bothered to do it, stop freaking whining about getting the ticket that you deserve.

The law is a "complete stop". The law is not stay behind a line for four seconds at a relative standstill.

And tickets are issued for not coming to a complete stop behind the line. The four second thing is a complete lie fabricated by a whiner that was debunked by every posted video. Everyone complaining that they completely stopped rolled the stop sign in their video. Every single one.

Is it? How do the videos debunk that? Did they release videos of cars that weren't ticketed. How does the algorithm determine what is or what is not a complete stop?

Complete stop is a somewhat subjective term. Automated camera runs on objective rules. What are those rules since "complete stop" is not something that can be programmed?

The videos debunk it because every single one shows the person who is claiming to be a safe driver wronged by a tyrannical government failing to stop at the stop sign. You are the one arguing that these tickets are illegitimate. Prove it. Because everyone else who has argued this in the past has been disproven by their own evidence.

That doesn't debunk anything. I'm not arguing anything about the legitimacy or not of individual tickets. What I am saying is that in order for a camera to work simple if/then rules are created. Those rules are not in the law. They are an approximation.

Yes, it absolutely does debunk it. One individual whiner on Nextdoor started this rumor that the only way to avoid a ticket was to stop 5 feet behind the line for four full seconds.
He insisted he was a good driver and moaned about how he stopped normally and still got ticketed, and a bunch of credulous commenters fell for it and got on soapboxes about Big Gubment Going Too Far!!!!

200 posts later he posted finally the video from his ticket. He didn't make a full stop at all, let alone behind the line, let alone for 3.5 seconds. He rolled right through the stop sign and got a ticket because he broke the law. He LIED. He disproved himself. You're still championing him because that's the kind of sea lion you are. Always side with the aggrieved white male who doesn't think the rules apply to him, then demand that other people disprove your fallacious position. Nah.

WTF are you talking about? Sea lion? Aggrieved white male? What kind of crazy pants fantasies are in your head?

Let me be slow and clear. I DGAF about that individual. I have not seen any of the videos. I care about one thing and am arguing one thing only. Code is not law. Code cannot replace subjective rules because code cannot be subjective. "Complete" is a subjective term. Objective code determines what does or does not trigger a ticket. The law and the code have to be the same if code is being used to enforce a law and law has to be transparent.

Lol sure. Go take that to court and see what happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

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There are people who review the camera footage and issue the citations. The cameras just flag likely violations.

Stop rolling through the stop signs. It's not hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

I think everyone doesn’t want kids to get hit by cars. However, it doesn’t happen “all the time” and it’s honestly deranged if you to use the suffering of others who you don’t know and the circumstances you have no idea as weapon in your campaign. Your behavior indicates that you actually care very little about real people and instead you are pantomiming Nancy Grace style politics. You should honestly just move back to the suburbs where you came from and leave the city to people who want it to be here.

I want to be here but I don’t want you running the stop signs at either end of my street. Slow down. Save a life.

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Anonymous wrote:Crazy speeders: Please stay home in your hellish suburbs if you can't follow basic traffic laws. And stop whining about how the cameras are somehow mean to you. You sound like spoiled children. DC does not need any more road rage carnage from hothead commuters who don't even live here. It's really that simple.

How about if you want to live on a cul de sac that you move to a cul de sac? It doesn’t seem like the city is the right place for you.

I can't tell if you two are in a troll war or if you honestly believe that one of the defining characteristics of "city living" is watching suburbanites run over your kids. Your posts make it sound like you think coming to the city is your opportunity to be lawless and live out a Fast and the Furious fantasy, and only people who live in a suburb should have any expectation of safety. Spoiler alert: there are traffic laws everywhere. "The City" isn't some Wild West boogeyman. You don't get to break laws and then say "that's what you get for living in a city!" and complain that someone had the nerve to ticket you.

Or to turn your childish logic back on you: that's what you get for coming to the city. Enjoy your tickets and I hope they boot your car on your next visit.

I think you have an view of the world that’s not connected to reality. There is no war and suburban people are not running down kids as a regular occurrence.

Actually, that's literally what happens all the time: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/dc-12-year-old-boy-knocked-unconscious-by-car-in-southeast/65-a0428270-1db9-472c-be79-611d67e7822b

Doesn’t say where the driver is from. People speeding and blowing though stop signs in your neighborhood are most likely your neighbors.