Abortion and religion
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Anonymous
The “democratic” process we have resulted in two Presidents who were rejected by the majority of American voters nominating six of the nine Supreme Court justices who vomited out this decision. |
Anonymous
The “democratic” process we have results in gerrymandered Republican supermajorities in state legislatures in which the majority of votes went to Democrats. |
Anonymous
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I wrote this in the other thread:
In Hinduism, the life of the mother is to be saved over the fetus if in danger from pregnancy. We saw how this played out in Ireland with the killing of Savita Halappanavar, when the hospital refused to abort the baby even though the mother would die and the baby would die anyway. The doctors told her it was Catholic country even though she and her husband begged to save her life because it within their religious belief that the mother's life should be saved and that she was not an Irish citizen. She wanted a baby, she would have gotten pregnant again and hopefully had another baby, maybe more, and they would all be alive. But instead, anti-abortion extremists felt it was better for both mother and baby to die. Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and any other religion with beliefs that would be violated by the overturning of Roe should band together for a counter lawsuit. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/08/abor...usal-death-ireland-hindu-woman |
Anonymous
Well clearly "we" disagree on the definition of a child. Just as an acorn is not the same thing as a tree, I don't believe a fetus is the same as a child. A person in this world should not be forced to go through a potentially deadly or bodily maiming process against their will. That is what it comes down to for me. Anti-women's-lives-folk never, ever acknowledge the physical reality/toll of gestating and birthing a child. It is not some easy breezy quick process. It is a sacrifice that involves a lot of cost to the woman, physically and financially and professionally. And the government doesn't get to force women to sacrifice themselves. --someone who willingly permanently damaged her own body in order to birth a child and would do it all over again, because it would be my choice to do so. |
Anonymous
What does that mean, when life beings? Are sperm alive? Are ovae alive? If you remove a kidney from someone and pack it in ice, is it alive? |
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Anti-legal-abortionsts premise their belief in when life begins on their notion of a soul.
I believe the soul enters the body around 28 weeks. Before then, the form of the fetus is just a vessel waiting for a human soul to animate it. That is my firmly-held religious belief. So it would suppress my religious beliefs to deny me an abortion if I sought one out at 10 weeks. If Roe is overturned those with religious beliefs that counter the religious beliefs of Christian right extremists need to go to court to get it to uphold the right to religious freedom. |
Anonymous
+1 |
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The US is supposed to offer freedom of religion, not that everyone has to follow the tenets of the Catholic Church or the Evangelical right.
Wonder if all of us progressive Christians, Jews, Muslims and atheists can sue? I personally don't want to live in a conservative Catholic / Southern Baptist theocracy. |
Anonymous
I think you're leaving out a very important argument: The other half of the "baby" equation is men. Why is a woman 100% responsible for the fetus she's carrying? So many terrible things can happen to a pregnant woman up to and including death. (I knew a healthy young woman who died of a heart attack right after giving birth to her first child.) Obviously, a man can't carry the fetus to term, but why are men excluded from this problem? Why is it solely a woman's problem? Why shouldn't men lose their jobs and their scholarships and be kicked out of their houses by horrible parents because their sexual partner is pregnant? Why aren't men responsible for paying half the cost of raising that child from the moment of conception until age 18? And if these people yammering about "child" and "baby" really cared a rat's ass about the actual unwanted fetus, why aren't they ponying up money to pay to raise all these unwanted fetuses until they're adults? |
Anonymous
Yes, in fact, we CAN sue. And we will sue. But first, let's vote Democrats into the House and Senate who will pass legislation to make abortion legal in every state from now to eternity. |
Anonymous
Cut out this "child" crap, wouldja? A fetus is NOT a child. It may or may not become one, but during the first trimester of pregnancy, it definitely is not a "child" or a "baby." It's a fetus, a developing fetus, a mass of cells that has no consciousness, no memories, no emotions. It makes no choices because it has no cognitive ability to make choices. It's a fetus, not a child. |
Anonymous
+1 The Catholic PP to whom you are replying understands that she is forcing her religion and her beliefs on millions of women and understands that this will kill women. She just doesn’t care about women except to control them and cannot admit this to herself because it’s a ghoulish thing to admit. |
Anonymous
NP here. As a Muslim, I have never been taught that abortion is a sin or “forbidden”. So I have no idea what you are talking about. |
Anonymous
Child’s body? What body? You mean the tiny half-formed blob of cells growing inside a living, breathing, fully-formed woman? |