Can someone explain our Ukraine response?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

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The full gist:
1. Boots on the ground
2. Freeze and seize putin's assets
3. Kick russia out of all financial and international institutions and agreements
4. Expose and act against Putin's lackeys in the free world. If Schröder and his ilk continue to work for Putin, bring charges. Ask the owners & advertisers of networks platforming Putin propagandists like Carlson why they allow it.
5. Replace Russian oil & gas. Pressure OPEC, increase production, reopen Keystone. You can't save the planet if you don't save the people on it.
6. Acknowledge there will be costs, sacrifices. We waited too long, the price is high, but it will only get higher. It's time to fight. 5/5

Cannot ignore the political 5th column of Putinists, from the far right & left in EU to the tankies & Trump & his GOP followers in the US. They may have the right to support a brutal dictator's war in order to criticize Biden, but it's disgusting and anti-American. Do not forget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t the good guys amass troops and weapons on the border and attempt to dissuade Russia from invading? We had weeks of intel.

Why did the world sit on its hands for a few days to see how this would play out before offering weapons? France just offered. Biden just offered $350M assistance (whatever that means).

If Zelensky survives and retains control, he will be an emboldened leader—and he will have every right to be upset with the world powers who abandoned him.

Super curious if Sean Penn will interview Putin. Can’t believe he’s over in Ukraine filming a documentary of the invasion. Zelensky thanked him for his courage.

Because if it had been "just the tip", the western world would have just let it happen as we did with Crimea. Our president said about as much in his speech. Few people thought that Putin would actually do a full invasion.

The bravery and resolve of the Ukrainian people are truly astounding to me. They were not standing around protesting with signs asking where is the rest of the world. They hoped and asked for help but didn't demand it. When it became apparent that help was not coming, they just took it upon themselves to fight against what is arguably the 2nd or 3rd most powerful nation on earth in terms of military power. I think this action was a slap on the face of all western nations that stood by, refusing to implement sanctions against Russian banks initially because they cared more about gasoline prices. This was far more powerful of a gesture than actually demanding other countries to help. It is shameful, absolutely shameful, that the western world took so long to respond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can’t do more. Russia has hypersonic nuclear missiles, as does China and North Korea. America has never developed hypersonic technology. America cannot go to war with a country armed with hypersonic nuclear weapons. Once a country has such weapons, war is no longer an option. The only option with a country with such an advanced nuclear arsenal is diplomacy and sanctions.

This is all incorrect. NK has no hypersonics. None. Russia has none that work. China has some. Not a threat to us now but maybe in 10 years. We do have them and they work as well as China's if not better. Whatever you are reading is pretty far off.

As for you other point --- the only way to deal with a nuclear power is to believe that they will not use the weapons. Otherwise the bully can do what it wants. If Russia used them they would be destroyed. That will take care of that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t do more. Russia has hypersonic nuclear missiles, as does China and North Korea. America has never developed hypersonic technology. America cannot go to war with a country armed with hypersonic nuclear weapons. Once a country has such weapons, war is no longer an option. The only option with a country with such an advanced nuclear arsenal is diplomacy and sanctions.

The United States DOES have hypersonic technology and the deployment of those missiles have no effect on the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine which has kept us from fighting a direct war against another nuclear power since the end of WW2.

Obviously the U.S. may develop hypersonic missiles and may even eventually deploy them. But for now, the U,S. is lagging behind Russia, China and North Korea. But even if we eventually develop hypersonic weapons, we won’t be able to shoot them down. Moreover, Russia, China and North Korea will have far more advanced weapons by then. https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/is-america-really-losing-the-hypersonic-arms-race/

This is just flat wrong. We are ahead, not lagging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How could the US attack Russia? The US military is relying on cheap supplies from China, including uniforms, boots, laptops, cell phones, or whatever communication devices etc. China is on Russia’s side.

I think you were trying to be funny. The reality is that the US is well equipped and today there is not military that can fight the US in a conventional wat. Certainly not Russia who does not have the might of the old USSR. Iraq was a stronger army in 2003 than Russia is today (but Russian has WMDs). Even China could not face the US today.

But if we attack Russia. Ye old nutjob Vlad could respond with nukes. That is the only reason we sit back. For now. He will move against NATO and then all bets are off.

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t do more. Russia has hypersonic nuclear missiles, as does China and North Korea. America has never developed hypersonic technology. America cannot go to war with a country armed with hypersonic nuclear weapons. Once a country has such weapons, war is no longer an option. The only option with a country with such an advanced nuclear arsenal is diplomacy and sanctions.

This is all incorrect. NK has no hypersonics. None. Russia has none that work. China has some. Not a threat to us now but maybe in 10 years. We do have them and they work as well as China's if not better. Whatever you are reading is pretty far off.

As for you other point --- the only way to deal with a nuclear power is to believe that they will not use the weapons. Otherwise the bully can do what it wants. If Russia used them they would be destroyed. That will take care of that.

Wrong. North Korea, China and Russia all have working hypersonic missiles.

https://www.voanews.com/a/analysis-why-north-korea-s-hypersonic-missile-test-is-troubling/6404637.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How could the US attack Russia? The US military is relying on cheap supplies from China, including uniforms, boots, laptops, cell phones, or whatever communication devices etc. China is on Russia’s side.

I think you were trying to be funny. The reality is that the US is well equipped and today there is not military that can fight the US in a conventional wat. Certainly not Russia who does not have the might of the old USSR. Iraq was a stronger army in 2003 than Russia is today (but Russian has WMDs). Even China could not face the US today.

But if we attack Russia. Ye old nutjob Vlad could respond with nukes. That is the only reason we sit back. For now. He will move against NATO and then all bets are off.

This is about it. Supporting Ukraine with soldiers and drones is declaring war on Russia. Come on, people. Do we really want a war with Russia?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

You know what's sad? Russia spends 61.7 billion on their military, while Ukraine spends a mere 4.7 billion, yet the former can't even hold a major Ukrainian city, gain control over Ukraine's airspace, nor adequately supply their units.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Thanks Boris. Spetsnaz are not what they used to be. And there are no that many real ones. They have merged with lots of other units and are no longer what they were. They are not among the world's best. Not in 2022. Russia has no ability to shoot down nukes. None. They do not have hypersonics that function. Russia has no defense to our submarines even if you were correct. Russia is a match for the UK alone or France or Germany alone. They are not really much. As we are seeing now. They will win in Ukraine. But they are not a real power.