Can someone explain our Ukraine response?

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

Not like that. Not like front line US troops. Marines acting like that? This is a window into how hollow the Russians really are.

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t do more. Russia has hypersonic nuclear missiles, as does China and North Korea. America has never developed hypersonic technology. America cannot go to war with a country armed with hypersonic nuclear weapons. Once a country has such weapons, war is no longer an option. The only option with a country with such an advanced nuclear arsenal is diplomacy and sanctions.

This is all incorrect. NK has no hypersonics. None. Russia has none that work. China has some. Not a threat to us now but maybe in 10 years. We do have them and they work as well as China's if not better. Whatever you are reading is pretty far off.

As for you other point --- the only way to deal with a nuclear power is to believe that they will not use the weapons. Otherwise the bully can do what it wants. If Russia used them they would be destroyed. That will take care of that.

Wrong. North Korea, China and Russia all have working hypersonic missiles.

https://www.voanews.com/a/analysis-why-north-korea-s-hypersonic-missile-test-is-troubling/6404637.html

Thanks for the link. But NK does not have anything active and neither do the Russians. US actually does.

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

Not like that. Not like front line US troops. Marines acting like that? This is a window into how hollow the Russians really are.

Most American warriors are not Marines. These two were not Marines. They were not Spetsnaz.

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Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

Not like that. Not like front line US troops. Marines acting like that? This is a window into how hollow the Russians really are.

Most American warriors are not Marines. These two were not Marines. They were not Spetsnaz.

Wow no not even close. Russian military is conscription for 1 year of military duty. That is not enough time to properly train. Spetsnaz selection process is a joke and their capabilities are extremely limited. The Russians military doctrine is throw enough in to the meat grinder and hope the other side runs out if ammo before they run out of people.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am far from a foreign policy expert, and my thinking here is certainly oversimplified. But, in those simple terms, a brutal dictator just invaded a relatively peaceful, democratic country. Why aren't we doing more?

Does this sort of thing happen more frequently than I'm aware of, and the thought is we can't get involved everywhere?

Is it because we don't have a mutual defense agreement with Ukraine?

Because we're scared of war with Russia?

Because we don't care?

I just read an article about harsh(er) sanctions we could bring to bear, but that Biden is holding those for further leverage. Leverage for what, though? The invasion has occurred? Isn't now the time to implement the harshest possible sanctions?

That’s two idiots. That proves nothing. There are American idiots in uniform, too.



Simply put, are you willing to die for Ukraine? How about your kids, you willing to send them to a war and die for Ukraine?

I'll wait.

Would people now be willing to die for Poland, France and victims of the Holocaust? Probably not. It's not about Ukraine; it's about people not caring about anything anymore.

Maybe people of Ukraine no longer care that much about keeping their current government and would rather surrender and allow Putin to put his puppets in charge again, just so that they can go back to their routines lives. I doubt much would change for them. If we start a real war with Russia (something we avoided for many decades for all the good reasons) then a massive WW3 will erupt that would likely have no winners. I don't think you or Ukranian citizens want this. I honestly have no idea how all this will end. There are many good scenarios that negotiations will work soon and bad scenarios verging on Putin invading the rest of Europe, which I would think is crazy because his own army probably would go against him on this.

It is WW3 if and only if it goes nuclear. Russia is a regional military power at best. It jets are at least a generation behind the US if not two. It's tanks are not the same class. And its troops are not well trained.

Russia’s best troops are very well trained. Spetsnaz is among the world’s best. America’s rusting nuclear missiles are old, slow, inaccurate and easily shot down. Russia has highly maneuverable hypersonic nuclear missiles against which we have no defense.

Like these well trained professionals? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497945813330411527

Those are two idiots. It proves nothing about an invading army of two hundred thousand men. There are American idiots in uniform, too.

Not like that. Not like front line US troops. Marines acting like that? This is a window into how hollow the Russians really are.

Most American warriors are not Marines. These two were not Marines. They were not Spetsnaz.

No but I would expect any regular army unit (not national guard or reserves) to be quite sharp. When we invaded Iraq, our line forces were quite sharp as they are now -- the line Infantry, Armored, Airborne, 10th Mountain, etc. This was pathetic.

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This is a good chronicle of the economic devastation. Highlights: Rouble now worth less than a penny, BP and Shell exiting all Russian business, and Russia may default on its national debt.