Lia Thomas - Will this change college sports for women or a nothingburger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree. But I don't think this minuscule number if trans athletes, who may be athletic but that does not mean they are dominant, are going to fundamentally change woman's college sports which is the question here. I get that you have a different opinion. So be it....we disagree.

I genuinely do not understand this point of view and am curious to learn more. Your opinion is that it is OK if some women athletes lose out because it is a relatively small number? What about if it was your daughter who trained for most of her life to get to the Olympics, but she did not make the team because Lia took the last spot? What about if you trained for years to have the national 100 yard dash record, and then it was broken by someone who remained male through most of adolescence? You are fine with that?

I doubt PP is a woman or a mother.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think it’s fine, just wait until it affects your athlete daughter.

Please.. in years of youth and college sports with multiple kids, had one trans kid involved in one sport. Nice kid but able to make much of a contribution towards athletic success inspire of all those supposed super male advantages described on here. There was a team, a bunch of kids with a variety of talents and contributions....they grew up and are all now off to the next thing. No issues at all.

That was 5 years ago right? There is an explosion of this nonsense that is going to continue to push the envelope

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think it’s fine, just wait until it affects your athlete daughter.

Please.. in years of youth and college sports with multiple kids, had one trans kid involved in one sport. Nice kid but able to make much of a contribution towards athletic success inspire of all those supposed super male advantages described on here. There was a team, a bunch of kids with a variety of talents and contributions....they grew up and are all now off to the next thing. No issues at all.

Ok
So since your kid didn’t have any issues, that clearly means no one else’s kids will. Such a strong point you’ve made.

The point is...you act like just being male means you are some kind of dominant athletic force. That is bull crap. Most men are not good athletes at all.

Most males are better athletes than women my scale. High school age boy swimmers have better times than most college female swimmers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He didn't break any records as a male - so.. why not grow your hair long and change your name? Hey looked it worked!!!

I really, truly believe this is not anyone's motivation.

Nice that gullible you “believes” that but most of us don’t agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think it’s fine, just wait until it affects your athlete daughter.

Please.. in years of youth and college sports with multiple kids, had one trans kid involved in one sport. Nice kid but able to make much of a contribution towards athletic success inspire of all those supposed super male advantages described on here. There was a team, a bunch of kids with a variety of talents and contributions....they grew up and are all now off to the next thing. No issues at all.

Ok
So since your kid didn’t have any issues, that clearly means no one else’s kids will. Such a strong point you’ve made.

The point is...you act like just being male means you are some kind of dominant athletic force. That is bull crap. Most men are not good athletes at all.

But it’s all relative, isn’t it? The average man may not be a good athlete, but he’s sure as hell better than the average woman at most competitions involving speed and strength. That applies to athletes, too. There is a reason why men and women rarely compete against each other. That’s the whole point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't break any records as a male - so.. why not grow your hair long and change your name? Hey looked it worked!!!

I really, truly believe this is not anyone's motivation.

Nice that gullible you “believes” that but most of us don’t agree with you.

Then you are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

And one of them is #1 in the NCAA right now in the 200 free ahead of Arlington native Tori Huske. So former Olympian Huske may not end up as the NCAA champion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

Then how about we let those 30 or so trans athletes sit out competitive sports and enjoy recreational athletics instead? Why should women be the ones to miss out on competition?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't break any records as a male - so.. why not grow your hair long and change your name? Hey looked it worked!!!

I really, truly believe this is not anyone's motivation.

Nice that gullible you “believes” that but most of us don’t agree with you.

+1. Will Thomas, at minimum, is an attention seeking narcissist. Let's not forget that there is probably major money to be made on this down the line... book deals... speaking tour...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

It’s still not right for a female athlete at the top of her game to get shut out by someone who was a male athlete 2 years ago.

And frankly, it tells you what kind of person Lia Thomas is that she feels perfectly fine barging into a female sport and totally dominating, despite the obvious physical advantages she has.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

Not sure how USA Today did their research, but the CDC and the Human Rights Campaign certainly came up with different numbers. In any case, the numbers are largely irrelevant. It’s either right for biological males to compete as females against biological females or it isn’t.

A CDC study published in 2019 estimated that 1.8 percent of high school students are transgender, meaning there are roughly 270,000 transgender students in U.S. high schools. But a report by the Human Rights Campaign found that only 14% of transgender boys and 12% of transgender girls play sports. Given all of those numbers, it's statistically possible that there are some 35,000 transgender student-athletes in high school, which would mean 0.44% of high school athletes are transgender.

Even as a fraction of the athlete population, that's still considerably more transgender young people playing sports than have made headlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So - USA Today did the research a while back.

There are about 5,500,000 high school athletes playing a high school sport at some level (Freshman, JV and Varsity) every year (non-covid) in the U.S. The participation numbers are over 7,000,000 a year but there are double counts and some triple counts in those numbers. A kid who plays football and baseball gets counted twice. There are about 500,000 college athletes playing a sport every year. So, about 6,000,000 high school and college athletes playing school sports every year.

And, how many trans athletes are there? MtF and FtM. About 30. Yep.

Then how about we let those 30 or so trans athletes sit out competitive sports and enjoy recreational athletics instead? Why should women be the ones to miss out on competition?

College is amateur sports.

[Anonymous]

From an AP news story:

"Pretty much everyone individually has spoken to our coaches about not liking this. Our coach [Mike Schnur] just really likes winning. He's like most coaches. I think secretly everyone just knows it's the wrong thing to do," the female Penn swimmer said.

"When the whole team is together, we have to be like, 'Oh my gosh, go Lia, that's great, you're amazing.' It's very fake," she added.

Thomas' teammate said the future appears bleak for female athletes.

"When I have kids, I kinda hope they’re all boys because if I have any girls that want to play sports in college, good luck. [Their opponents] are all going to be biological men saying that they’re women," she told OutKick.

"Right now we have one, but what if we had three on the team? There’d be three less girls competing."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He didn't break any records as a male - so.. why not grow your hair long and change your name? Hey looked it worked!!!

I really, truly believe this is not anyone's motivation.

Nice that gullible you “believes” that but most of us don’t agree with you.

Then you are an idiot.

Nope, I’m a swim parent who thinks swimmers are rarely record chasers, especially at this expense.