Lia Thomas - Will this change college sports for women or a nothingburger?

[Anonymous]

I have a close friend who is a paraolympian. (Incredibly hunky guy and got a spinal cord injury in college). He has described to me in detail how incredibly detailed the different classifications are. The athletes are broken into different classifications based on an incredibly through medical exam and observations during competition. This allows true competition - you will race against other athletes that have roughly the same function. (Someone with a T7 injury is not going to compete in swimming against someone with an L5 injury for example).

It would never be implemented, but it’s an interesting thought exercise that you could divide able bodied athletes up by hormones or whatever.

Background on Paralympic classification https://www.paralympic.org/classification

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Anonymous wrote:Don't see how it fundamentally changes college sports. This is the only transgender college athlete I have ever heard of. Ever.

You don’t get out much, do you?

Just list all the others and educated us about how transformational this apparently is. Are there hundreds out there? Who are they?

NP and you’re missing op’s point. The question is not about the current situation. The question is about where this leads in the future

Transgender people are not new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This has been a big discussion in track. Cece Telfer won a ncaa title as a transgender woman but was deemed ineligible for the Olympics.

I think she would be eligible under the new IOC rules. They will no longer require medical procedures or hormone suppression

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna5775

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Anonymous wrote:Don't see how it fundamentally changes college sports. This is the only transgender college athlete I have ever heard of. Ever.

You don’t get out much, do you?

Just list all the others and educated us about how transformational this apparently is. Are there hundreds out there? Who are they?

NP and you’re missing op’s point. The question is not about the current situation. The question is about where this leads in the future

Transgender people are not new.

Men competing as women and breaking long held records in their sports is absolutely new.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

Twitter is going crazy about Lia Thomas’ record-setting performance last weekend. Do you think she is a unicorn and we should all just calm down or is it likely that women who were born male fundamentally change college sports and scholarships?

Not fundamentally because stories like this are exceedingly rare. But for the athletes in these particular swimming events, this is a difficult situation.

Exceedingly rare now, but wait 5-10 years. That is OP's whole point.

A "difficult situation?" That's the best you can do?

what do you want? My kid is not the strongest athlete in her sport. She competes hard. there was one transgender kid on the team who was not talented at all regardless of gender...which is typical. most people are not gifted athletes.

I don't think this is a common situation at all. That swimmer was transgender AND a good athlete. That is a rare combination.

The transgender males could have a physical disadvantage in sports competitions when trying to compete against male athletes. That is what it is.

I dont understand what you want? where are these people supposed to compete?

Birth sex only. Obviously

Sports were separated by biological birth sex, not gender, because of biological/physical differences (on average). Now we are permitting anyone of any gender to compete as the birth sex they choose regardless of their actual birth sex. The "transgender sports issue" is one of the most prominent examples of the trans rights movement moving from "gender identity is separate from biological sex" to "if you identify as a woman, you are a biological woman." I'm not sure how long it will take, but it seems obvious that if this course continues, eventually transwomen will hold the records in every single woman's sport.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't see how it fundamentally changes college sports. This is the only transgender college athlete I have ever heard of. Ever.

You don’t get out much, do you?

Just list all the others and educated us about how transformational this apparently is. Are there hundreds out there? Who are they?

NP and you’re missing op’s point. The question is not about the current situation. The question is about where this leads in the future

Transgender people are not new.

Men competing as women and breaking long held records in their sports is absolutely new.

Did you watch any of the East Germans in the Olympics?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

Twitter is going crazy about Lia Thomas’ record-setting performance last weekend. Do you think she is a unicorn and we should all just calm down or is it likely that women who were born male fundamentally change college sports and scholarships?

Not fundamentally because stories like this are exceedingly rare. But for the athletes in these particular swimming events, this is a difficult situation.

Exceedingly rare now, but wait 5-10 years. That is OP's whole point.

A "difficult situation?" That's the best you can do?

what do you want? My kid is not the strongest athlete in her sport. She competes hard. there was one transgender kid on the team who was not talented at all regardless of gender...which is typical. most people are not gifted athletes.

I don't think this is a common situation at all. That swimmer was transgender AND a good athlete. That is a rare combination.

The transgender males could have a physical disadvantage in sports competitions when trying to compete against male athletes. That is what it is.

I dont understand what you want? where are these people supposed to compete?

Birth sex only. Obviously

Sports were separated by biological birth sex, not gender, because of biological/physical differences (on average). Now we are permitting anyone of any gender to compete as the birth sex they choose regardless of their actual birth sex. The "transgender sports issue" is one of the most prominent examples of the trans rights movement moving from "gender identity is separate from biological sex" to "if you identify as a woman, you are a biological woman." I'm not sure how long it will take, but it seems obvious that if this course continues, eventually transwomen will hold the records in every single woman's sport.

This is exactly it.

[Anonymous]

Is this a joke? Just a gaslighting question? wtf the answer is obvious

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

Twitter is going crazy about Lia Thomas’ record-setting performance last weekend. Do you think she is a unicorn and we should all just calm down or is it likely that women who were born male fundamentally change college sports and scholarships?

Not fundamentally because stories like this are exceedingly rare. But for the athletes in these particular swimming events, this is a difficult situation.

Exceedingly rare now, but wait 5-10 years. That is OP's whole point.

A "difficult situation?" That's the best you can do?

what do you want? My kid is not the strongest athlete in her sport. She competes hard. there was one transgender kid on the team who was not talented at all regardless of gender...which is typical. most people are not gifted athletes.

I don't think this is a common situation at all. That swimmer was transgender AND a good athlete. That is a rare combination.

The transgender males could have a physical disadvantage in sports competitions when trying to compete against male athletes. That is what it is.

I dont understand what you want? where are these people supposed to compete?

Birth sex only. Obviously

Sports were separated by biological birth sex, not gender, because of biological/physical differences (on average). Now we are permitting anyone of any gender to compete as the birth sex they choose regardless of their actual birth sex. The "transgender sports issue" is one of the most prominent examples of the trans rights movement moving from "gender identity is separate from biological sex" to "if you identify as a woman, you are a biological woman." I'm not sure how long it will take, but it seems obvious that if this course continues, eventually transwomen will hold the records in every single woman's sport.

Well not this one. Lisa did not beat the Olympic or world record. And that will only happen if some transgender athlete comes along that is good enough which is statistically unlikely. Did not a transgender weight lifter at the olympics fail to win anything?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't see how it fundamentally changes college sports. This is the only transgender college athlete I have ever heard of. Ever.

You don’t get out much, do you?

Just list all the others and educated us about how transformational this apparently is. Are there hundreds out there? Who are they?

NP and you’re missing op’s point. The question is not about the current situation. The question is about where this leads in the future

Transgender people are not new.

Men competing as women and breaking long held records in their sports is absolutely new.

Did you watch any of the East Germans in the Olympics?

They weren’t men pretending to be women, just to rack up wins.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't see how it fundamentally changes college sports. This is the only transgender college athlete I have ever heard of. Ever.

You don’t get out much, do you?

Just list all the others and educated us about how transformational this apparently is. Are there hundreds out there? Who are they?

NP and you’re missing op’s point. The question is not about the current situation. The question is about where this leads in the future

Transgender people are not new.

Men competing as women and breaking long held records in their sports is absolutely new.

Did you watch any of the East Germans in the Olympics?

They weren’t men pretending to be women, just to rack up wins.

This will happen more and more. What’s to stop a terrible government from creating incentives for males to identify as females in order to rank up medals? I don’t see how this ends well.

[Anonymous]

So - why is this a record?

Not an expert - but the 1650 is a giraffe event. Basically you have to swim it in a 25 yard pool. Pretty much every competitive pool today is 50m. So - you have to dig around a bit.

But - this new “record” was 15.59 and change. Perhaps not a surprise - the record is 15.03 and change held by Ledecky from her college days. Yes - oh boy - a new pool record. Better write home about that.

[Anonymous]

This is infuriating, and does nothing to further or help transgender rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So - why is this a record?

Not an expert - but the 1650 is a giraffe event. Basically you have to swim it in a 25 yard pool. Pretty much every competitive pool today is 50m. So - you have to dig around a bit.

But - this new “record” was 15.59 and change. Perhaps not a surprise - the record is 15.03 and change held by Ledecky from her college days. Yes - oh boy - a new pool record. Better write home about that.

They are pool and meet records. It would take a much better male swimmer deciding they were a woman to break Ledecky’s records

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10282301/Transgender-UPenn-swimmer-Lia-Thomas-smashes-records-weekend-meets-14-SECONDS-ahead-rival.html

Twitter is going crazy about Lia Thomas’ record-setting performance last weekend. Do you think she is a unicorn and we should all just calm down or is it likely that women who were born male fundamentally change college sports and scholarships?

Hypothetically what if all born females refuse to compete with said trans women? I don't think a trans women should be allowed to compete with cis women.