Lia Thomas - Will this change college sports for women or a nothingburger?

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Maybe we can allow dolphins who feel they were really born as humans compete in open water swim competitions.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we can allow dolphins who feel they were really born as humans compete in open water swim competitions.

lol. It is about the same in equity.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we can allow dolphins who feel they were really born as humans compete in open water swim competitions.

lol. It is about the same in equity.

Maybe men will take notice when confronted with unfair competition themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we can allow dolphins who feel they were really born as humans compete in open water swim competitions.

lol. It is about the same in equity.

Maybe men will take notice when confronted with unfair competition themselves.

They (men) are so quick to quash anything that is unfair to them and so ready to allow anything that gives them the advantage even if unfair to women. Equity is lost on them.

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Not in our lifetime, but one day, men will be able to give birth and watch all the paternity leave and childcare laws and guidelines change.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in our lifetime, but one day, men will be able to give birth and watch all the paternity leave and childcare laws and guidelines change.

Why are liberal women allowing their rights to be eroded? I grew up in the 70s when young women my mother's age were burning their bras. My grandmother fought to have her own bank account. My even older relatives were suffragettes who succeeded in earning the right to vote. They worked so hard to earn these rights. Now feminist is being made a dirty word.

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Anonymous wrote:Not in our lifetime, but one day, men will be able to give birth and watch all the paternity leave and childcare laws and guidelines change.

This is happening now: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8Te6GMj/

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Anonymous wrote:Not in our lifetime, but one day, men will be able to give birth and watch all the paternity leave and childcare laws and guidelines change.

This is happening now: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8Te6GMj/

Gender identity and biological sex are two different things. That is not a man, that is a woman who identifies as a man.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks college swimmers, or college athletes in any sport, hang with more than a handful of their teammates has no clue about college athletics. That’s frankly hilarious.

The times they know are the times they need to hit - to keep their lane, to stay in an event, to qualify for a final, a meet or a trial. What anyone else does - they do. It’s one of the things about timed sports.

Did you think it’s about “the team”? It’s way, way, way too much work to be about “the team”. A coach will enter whoever is swimming the best times in practice. Don’t swim well? See ya.

The athletes do the same thing now as well. There’s going to be 20-30 college football players who do not dress for bowl games. Why? Don’t want to risk getting hurt or doing something that hurts their draft position. My undergrad Alma mater is playing in a bowl this year and both schools have their two best players sitting. It’s now basically the Spring game. But, no one would pay them $10M if they got hurt so they sit. That’s how the game is played.

Keep digging your heels in PP. Your posts get more and more amusing as the day rolls on. I’ll have sore abs at the end of the day from laughing so hard at this rate.

Give it up. Obvious you know nothing about sports above a little kid level. Go pout about the men’s basketball team sitting for the anthem.

Oooh you got me there!
Not really. My 15 yo competitive swimmer would beg to differ. I mean, how could she possibly know as much as you do?!?

She doesn’t. Nor should she. She’s a kid. Step into college swim (or any college sport for that matter) and things are immediately very very different. The athlete works for the coach and the school. Your kid, if they swim in college, needs to follow the team rules, do well academically, shut up and never complain, and consistently improve. Virginia won the NCAAs last year. They have 4 Seniors on this years team. Go back 4 years. How many freshman started off? Nine. And, that’s a pretty good attrition rate. It’s worse in lots of competitive programs. Though most coaches will shoot for 50% over time.

My oldest daughter played 4 years of college soccer. She was one of the survivors. She won the Coaches Award her Junior and Senior years representing team leadership. She well tell that in 4 years of playing, the head coach maybe spoke directly to her less than 30 minutes. That’s counting during games, as well as before and after games. During practices, before and after practices. On road trips. In PT. In the weightroom. Wherever. As a parent, you can say “hey coach who is it going”, if you happen to run into him/her and that is about it. With the younger one swimming now it is the same, but she has the advantage of having an older sister who played a sport in college.

So - older teammates want your kid to help the team, as long as their role does not hurt them. Every athlete will first, second and third want to compete. That is way more important than the team winning. It’s great to win, and losing will mean changes that could very well mean less chance to swim/play/race. But, if it were to come down to a choice between the team winning the game or meet, or them playing/swimming they will choose playing/swimming every single time.

Your daughter had a bad experience. My college coach and my husband’s college coach were at our wedding, we visit every time we are in town, and our teammates were our best friends in college. Many still are. It is very sad that your daughter had this experience, but it isn’t normal.

She had a very typical women's college athlete experience. Frainkly, it is the only experience for athletes outside of football and basketball. What you refer to in your post is what happens after you are done being on the team. My daughter's coach is a reference on her resume today (3 years removed). He is a good guy, but like all coaches, he is never a friend or counselor to athletes on his/her team. Why? Because he/she needs to make decisions that can be difficult for players like disciplining, benching or cutting them. And, like you, she is friendly with two or three women from her team who came in with her as freshmen, as is her fiance with a couple guys from the men's team. Again -- normal. However, the standard adage is true -- "There are no I's in team, but there are two in playing time."

I should add -- given the time requirements for a D1 sport year round, you had better get along with a few teammates or you are done very quickly. But, just like in high school, players who are in their Junior and Senior years have little interest, and frankly no time, to hang out with freshmen/sophomores. My kid says that she was voted the "Team Mom" her senior year, mostly because she did not just ignore the freshmen off the field.

I would say that is very consistent with daughter 2's swim experience so far. Knock wood covid allows for a full swim season.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks college swimmers, or college athletes in any sport, hang with more than a handful of their teammates has no clue about college athletics. That’s frankly hilarious.

The times they know are the times they need to hit - to keep their lane, to stay in an event, to qualify for a final, a meet or a trial. What anyone else does - they do. It’s one of the things about timed sports.

Did you think it’s about “the team”? It’s way, way, way too much work to be about “the team”. A coach will enter whoever is swimming the best times in practice. Don’t swim well? See ya.

The athletes do the same thing now as well. There’s going to be 20-30 college football players who do not dress for bowl games. Why? Don’t want to risk getting hurt or doing something that hurts their draft position. My undergrad Alma mater is playing in a bowl this year and both schools have their two best players sitting. It’s now basically the Spring game. But, no one would pay them $10M if they got hurt so they sit. That’s how the game is played.

Keep digging your heels in PP. Your posts get more and more amusing as the day rolls on. I’ll have sore abs at the end of the day from laughing so hard at this rate.

Give it up. Obvious you know nothing about sports above a little kid level. Go pout about the men’s basketball team sitting for the anthem.

Oooh you got me there!
Not really. My 15 yo competitive swimmer would beg to differ. I mean, how could she possibly know as much as you do?!?

She doesn’t. Nor should she. She’s a kid. Step into college swim (or any college sport for that matter) and things are immediately very very different. The athlete works for the coach and the school. Your kid, if they swim in college, needs to follow the team rules, do well academically, shut up and never complain, and consistently improve. Virginia won the NCAAs last year. They have 4 Seniors on this years team. Go back 4 years. How many freshman started off? Nine. And, that’s a pretty good attrition rate. It’s worse in lots of competitive programs. Though most coaches will shoot for 50% over time.

My oldest daughter played 4 years of college soccer. She was one of the survivors. She won the Coaches Award her Junior and Senior years representing team leadership. She well tell that in 4 years of playing, the head coach maybe spoke directly to her less than 30 minutes. That’s counting during games, as well as before and after games. During practices, before and after practices. On road trips. In PT. In the weightroom. Wherever. As a parent, you can say “hey coach who is it going”, if you happen to run into him/her and that is about it. With the younger one swimming now it is the same, but she has the advantage of having an older sister who played a sport in college.

So - older teammates want your kid to help the team, as long as their role does not hurt them. Every athlete will first, second and third want to compete. That is way more important than the team winning. It’s great to win, and losing will mean changes that could very well mean less chance to swim/play/race. But, if it were to come down to a choice between the team winning the game or meet, or them playing/swimming they will choose playing/swimming every single time.

Your daughter had a bad experience. My college coach and my husband’s college coach were at our wedding, we visit every time we are in town, and our teammates were our best friends in college. Many still are. It is very sad that your daughter had this experience, but it isn’t normal.

She had a very typical women's college athlete experience. Frainkly, it is the only experience for athletes outside of football and basketball. What you refer to in your post is what happens after you are done being on the team. My daughter's coach is a reference on her resume today (3 years removed). He is a good guy, but like all coaches, he is never a friend or counselor to athletes on his/her team. Why? Because he/she needs to make decisions that can be difficult for players like disciplining, benching or cutting them. And, like you, she is friendly with two or three women from her team who came in with her as freshmen, as is her fiance with a couple guys from the men's team. Again -- normal. However, the standard adage is true -- "There are no I's in team, but there are two in playing time."

I should add -- given the time requirements for a D1 sport year round, you had better get along with a few teammates or you are done very quickly. But, just like in high school, players who are in their Junior and Senior years have little interest, and frankly no time, to hang out with freshmen/sophomores. My kid says that she was voted the "Team Mom" her senior year, mostly because she did not just ignore the freshmen off the field.

I would say that is very consistent with daughter 2's swim experience so far. Knock wood covid allows for a full swim season.


I was a D1 swimmer. You truly have NO idea what you are talking about. None at all. The teams tend to be very close knit. Half the swimmers from the men’s and women’s teams date each other — it’s called swimcest. It’s often a work hard play (party) hard mentality for those who like to go out (less so during the season but definitely in the off season). There is often drama because everyone spends so much time together. But it’s a lot of fun.

You seem to be talking about one of your kids’ experiences on a team for a different sport, and you HS swimmer’s experience. Neither give you any sort of insight into a D1 swim team. I’m embarrassed for you.

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Yes, the lady who keeps talking about her imaginary daughter's experience has no actual experience with D1 swimming. Goodness.

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Question.....

Have there been any instances of biological women who identify as men competing in male sports and sweeping the field, setting records, and winning all events?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the lady who keeps talking about her imaginary daughter's experience has no actual experience with D1 swimming. Goodness.

And yet she keeps posting. Entertaining, to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:Question.....

Have there been any instances of biological women who identify as men competing in male sports and sweeping the field, setting records, and winning all events?

If there was, I’d be impressed, not irritated. If he can do that without the physical advantages of being male, then bravo!

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Anonymous wrote:Question.....

Have there been any instances of biological women who identify as men competing in male sports and sweeping the field, setting records, and winning all events?

If there was, I’d be impressed, not irritated. If he can do that without the physical advantages of being male, then bravo!

We’ll maybe I’ll decide to be a coxswain. At 110lbs I’d be pretty valuable.