Farmland ES student death

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The part that I am wondering about is why the teacher didn't call 911 automatically. If a child faints and vomits blood, they need more than a school nurse, and delaying a response by 5 minutes to get the nurse to the classroom can be deadly.

That is strange when the teacher must have a cell phone.

Please don't blame the teacher. We have no idea exactly how things played out or the timing of everything. I'm sure it was very hectic.

No one is blaming anyone, but I would hope that there is no policy requiring a call to the office and evaluation by a nurse before dialing 911.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is slightly off-topic but my own child went to Farmland many moons ago and back then, there were no shelters in the catchment area. If anything, the area around the school is pretty wealthy. Do they now bus the kids in who don't live nearby?

I live in the neighborhood where Farmland is. There are at least 4 homes/townhouses owned by the county used for housing the homeless that I’m aware of. We learned most of this after taking in a homeless family whose child was a classmate of my son’s. It gives you a real eye-opening look at the challenges faced by these families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The part that I am wondering about is why the teacher didn't call 911 automatically. If a child faints and vomits blood, they need more than a school nurse, and delaying a response by 5 minutes to get the nurse to the classroom can be deadly.

That is strange when the teacher must have a cell phone.

Please don't blame the teacher. We have no idea exactly how things played out or the timing of everything. I'm sure it was very hectic.

No one is blaming anyone, but I would hope that there is no policy requiring a call to the office and evaluation by a nurse before dialing 911.

There isn’t. But the child had asked to go to the nurse and was leaving the classroom when they collapsed. My son had a seizure there when he was in Kindergarten, and the ambulance was there by the time they called me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But not afraid to speak to the media?

oh ffs. She lost her son. I suspect they are either undocumented or relatively new to the country. What does it matter. Our country makes it so so hard for people to get care.

No, we don't make it hard to get care. If they are living in a shelter, the case manager should have been automatically signing the child up for Medicaid or CHIP. There are also lots of people in the school system that can make referrals to the appropriate social service agencies.

We have numerous free and sliding scale clinics. We have emergency rooms that provide indigent care. If someone moves to a country where they don't know the system, they will need to ask for help, just like I might if I got sick in Guatemala.

ER's are not free. And, the sliding fee clinics take months too get into. Sh may not have been eligible fo medicaid or CHIP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But not afraid to speak to the media?

oh ffs. She lost her son. I suspect they are either undocumented or relatively new to the country. What does it matter. Our country makes it so so hard for people to get care.

No, we don't make it hard to get care. If they are living in a shelter, the case manager should have been automatically signing the child up for Medicaid or CHIP. There are also lots of people in the school system that can make referrals to the appropriate social service agencies.

We have numerous free and sliding scale clinics. We have emergency rooms that provide indigent care. If someone moves to a country where they don't know the system, they will need to ask for help, just like I might if I got sick in Guatemala.

ER's are not free. And, the sliding fee clinics take months too get into. Sh may not have been eligible fo medicaid or CHIP.

ERs do treat lots of people for free; they are required to provide a certain amount of free care every year. However, most illegals solve the problem by giving a false address.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

This is absurd, teacher. You do have a responsibility to your charges.

Teachers are not nannies. These are students, not “charges.”

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But not afraid to speak to the media?

oh ffs. She lost her son. I suspect they are either undocumented or relatively new to the country. What does it matter. Our country makes it so so hard for people to get care.

No, we don't make it hard to get care. If they are living in a shelter, the case manager should have been automatically signing the child up for Medicaid or CHIP. There are also lots of people in the school system that can make referrals to the appropriate social service agencies.

We have numerous free and sliding scale clinics. We have emergency rooms that provide indigent care. If someone moves to a country where they don't know the system, they will need to ask for help, just like I might if I got sick in Guatemala.

ER's are not free. And, the sliding fee clinics take months too get into. Sh may not have been eligible fo medicaid or CHIP.

ERs do treat lots of people for free; they are required to provide a certain amount of free care every year. However, most illegals solve the problem by giving a false address.

They are not free and you have to fight to get the fees dropped which is not easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

This is absurd, teacher. You do have a responsibility to your charges.

Teachers are not nannies. These are students, not “charges.”

The medical incident happened at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

With Covid, it is. With flu season it is.

I agree. Schools are very involved in children's health these days and not just because things may be communicable. HOw do you not notice a child who is that sick?

We don’t know how he acted at school until the day that he died. Children do not always complain at school —particularly immigrant children.

At our school, many of the teachers did not speak spanish and used the other kids as translators. Those kids rarely engaged with the teacher.

I was a poor kid. Native English speaker. I never told teachers anything. We were often hungry. We often had no lights, heat, or running water. I was being sexually abused by a relative. And my dad tried to kill my mother in front of us. I just came to school and tried to avoid anything that drew attention to me. If you are quiet and physically clean, it is easy to be invisible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

With Covid, it is. With flu season it is.

I agree. Schools are very involved in children's health these days and not just because things may be communicable. HOw do you not notice a child who is that sick?

We don’t know how he acted at school until the day that he died. Children do not always complain at school —particularly immigrant children.

At our school, many of the teachers did not speak spanish and used the other kids as translators. Those kids rarely engaged with the teacher.

I was a poor kid. Native English speaker. I never told teachers anything. We were often hungry. We often had no lights, heat, or running water. I was being sexually abused by a relative. And my dad tried to kill my mother in front of us. I just came to school and tried to avoid anything that drew attention to me. If you are quiet and physically clean, it is easy to be invisible.

This. What is sad is some of us try to do things to help these kids but I know at our school, things like a clothing closet get blocked by the PTA as they claim its not needed. Its sad how most people are not in tune and these things happen when they shouldn't. School is supposed to be the safe place where these needs get met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

With Covid, it is. With flu season it is.

I agree. Schools are very involved in children's health these days and not just because things may be communicable. HOw do you not notice a child who is that sick?

We don’t know how he acted at school until the day that he died. Children do not always complain at school —particularly immigrant children.

Really? IME, they are more likely to complain.

[Anonymous]

This. What is sad is some of us try to do things to help these kids but I know at our school, things like a clothing closet get blocked by the PTA as they claim its not needed. Its sad how most people are not in tune and these things happen when they shouldn't. School is supposed to be the safe place where these needs get met.

A PTA can't block a clothing closet. They can say they don't have the resources to run one, but if the school administration wanted to set one up, they could just approach interested parents. I suspect this is a case of "someone thinks they have one simple trick to solve poverty" and other people trying to make it clear that the proposed solution is replicative of existing resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like untreated strep. I think this could turn bad with minimal symptoms. Please don't blame people.

A lot of people failed this kid from the county social workers, to the shelter to the school. There were lots of checks and balances and no one did their job.

Oh, please! It's not the school's job to take everyone's temperature. Schools are doing enough as is.
The social workers is another story but the main issue is with the kid's mother. At the end of the day, this was her child and her responsibility.

With Covid, it is. With flu season it is.

I agree. Schools are very involved in children's health these days and not just because things may be communicable. HOw do you not notice a child who is that sick?

We don’t know how he acted at school until the day that he died. Children do not always complain at school —particularly immigrant children.

Agree. He complained (to only his mother as far as we know) of pain, but there is nothing about any outward symptoms like cough, sneezing, runny nose. I think this sounds more like some kind of ulcer. I don't know, what would cause a child to vomit blood?

An aortic aneurysm can cause chest and stomach pain that comes and goes and then when it ruptures, cause vomiting and rapid death. It's pretty scary.

My coworker had one of these and it ruptured at work. It’s hard to catch before that. She suddenly collapsed at work and was only saved because we are literally next to a trauma center

[Anonymous]

This is on the mom 100%. Wow.