Choosing between VDA ECNL and FCV GA

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is 1.

Rest are from….you guessed it…Loudoun, McLean, BRYC

The answer is 5.

No. The answer is 1. Ashburn Soccer Club was an outside entity.

The answer is 1

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

Draft? Doesn't every single ECNL club hold tryouts, so a CCL/ENCL-RL player can move up? Yes. There is no incentive to play for another club other than a perception you can do better, play in better divisions, and/or see more scouts at your games. There is no payment. No waived fees. No promises. Every player has ultimate free-will and actually in some cases, drive 2-3x further to get to play at another club on a better team. The coaches offer a spot and a player takes it, yet it's the club that is nuking the other team? JFC... what a sad state of affairs that you think the player owes the previous club anything. These are kids and you're acting like they violated NCAA transfer rules.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

You keep bringing this “draft” thing up so let’s address it.

1. Maybe the added players weren’t recruited. Maybe they didn’t want to stay where they were. Maybe that’s the issue you need to address.
2. Refer to number 1

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

My son having played on both, I would argue training at U9-U11 is better at NVSC.

That being said, at PWSI a player is labeled as B team player and will most likely never have a chance at top level. A player that may not have been a great player at U9 in NVSC might improve. When that NVSC player shows up to PWSI/VDA-PRE-ECNL tryouts, they could take the spot of the PWSI B team player even if both have improved.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

No loyalty and that should be expected. Clubs are a business. Coaches get paid, therefore this is a job. Players don't owe anything to coaches/club; clubs owe nothing to players. Whilst you play, you expect fair treatment across the board and opportunity to excel, that's why you pay the club money. Once parents realize this, they won't get so upset that players leave for greener pastures and better chances to move onwards and upwards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

You keep bringing this “draft” thing up so let’s address it.

1. Maybe the added players weren’t recruited. Maybe they didn’t want to stay where they were. Maybe that’s the issue you need to address.
2. Refer to number 1

1- you keep bringing up and talking for the added players, here we are talking about PWSI/VSA/VDA players. You seem to care more for the outsider players than the players from your in-house pools. Why? Is the other club soccer program better than PWSI/VSA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

My son having played on both, I would argue training at U9-U11 is better at NVSC.

That being said, at PWSI a player is labeled as B team player and will most likely never have a chance at top level. A player that may not have been a great player at U9 in NVSC might improve. When that NVSC player shows up to PWSI/VDA-PRE-ECNL tryouts, they could take the spot of the PWSI B team player even if both have improved.

Training is better at nvsc than PWSI/VSA? That’s a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

No loyalty and that should be expected. Clubs are a business. Coaches get paid, therefore this is a job. Players don't owe anything to coaches/club; clubs owe nothing to players. Whilst you play, you expect fair treatment across the board and opportunity to excel, that's why you pay the club money. Once parents realize this, they won't get so upset that players leave for greener pastures and better chances to move onwards and upwards.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

My son having played on both, I would argue training at U9-U11 is better at NVSC.

That being said, at PWSI a player is labeled as B team player and will most likely never have a chance at top level. A player that may not have been a great player at U9 in NVSC might improve. When that NVSC player shows up to PWSI/VDA-PRE-ECNL tryouts, they could take the spot of the PWSI B team player even if both have improved.

Training is better at nvsc than PWSI/VSA? That’s a new one.

Looks like. Find out how many NVSC players were selected for VDA teams.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

Not true everywhere though.....our team manager sucks up to the coach big-time, and it's certainly translated into benefits for his daughter (more playing time, other opportunities, etc.).

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

Not true everywhere though.....our team manager sucks up to the coach big-time, and it's certainly translated into benefits for his daughter (more playing time, other opportunities, etc.).

A team manager means you’re still in u-little soccer. That’s when parent politics are the worst. It becomes more about performance as they get older and politics become less relevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

The curriculum wasn’t strong until last year. VDA has been rebuilding, it’s simple.

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Anonymous wrote:In other words if your kid is U-little sign with NVSC to get properly developed and when she turns 14-17 have her try out for VDA. 100% your kid will be taken.

Or sign them up with VSA or PWSI and they’re already there.

You have only 5 or 7 (PWSI/VSA) players out of what, 20? The chances look better if the player is from a different club.

This I don't understand. These aren't contracted players. There's no incentive to go to another club like VDA unless the player/parents think they will win and compete against the nation's best. It's about 75% VSA/PWSI player on every team, 5 to 7 is laughably low and not even close. The U16 team, which is one of the best on east coast, is 15 out of 20 girls from VSA/PWSI, which include the mid-Atlantic player of the year (VSA origins). When other teams complain about losing good players, ask 'why' are they leaving? You get one shot at this ride to college, if that's your goal, and if girls elsewhere want to drive an hour to practice, it must be THAT good. There is literally no other reason to go to a club unless you think it's going to help and if VDA is that place, then best of luck to them. Why complain other than jealous reaction.

Thought we were discussing the U19 team which has the players leaving to college. Isn’t the ultimate goal of ECNL a path to play in college? Or is the ECNL a pro-league where clubs need to draft players to help the club win in the benefit of its brand name?

So if PWSI/VSA have a good program you VDA should have given priority to these players (U19), if you really cared for the player. Instead you took several players from other club.

Was your kid cut? If so, I understand the frustration. I want to see everyone happy.

But here’s the hard truth….and younger parents need to listen…..There is NO loyalty. I don’t care who you are or what club you’re at….Zero.

You can befriend the coach and politic all you want. Either your kid performs or gets replaced.

Been there, done that.

Not true everywhere though.....our team manager sucks up to the coach big-time, and it's certainly translated into benefits for his daughter (more playing time, other opportunities, etc.).

A team manager means you’re still in u-little soccer. That’s when parent politics are the worst. It becomes more about performance as they get older and politics become less relevant.

Hahaha the team manager is a dude, FFS get him a tampon to shut him up, his wife must be really attracted to him...