Why are there tens if not hundreds of dudes

[Anonymous]

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IT IS ILLEGAL

So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.

Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.

To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.

Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.

2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IT IS ILLEGAL

So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.

Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.

To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.

Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.

2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.

A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk

So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IT IS ILLEGAL

So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.

Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.

To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.

Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.

2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.

A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk

So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IT IS ILLEGAL

So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.

Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.

To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.

Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.

2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.

A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk

So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

You tell me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IT IS ILLEGAL

So are rolling through stop signs and exceeding the speed limit, and both of those illegal behaviors are far more common.

Is that why DC doesn't enforce traffic and parking violations, because ATV riders are also breaking the rules? Must be easy to be a DC politician just collecting a paycheck while claiming nothing can be done about anything.

To be honest with you, I think it’s not politically tenuous to enforce traffic laws against Black ATV riders but not conversely against White cyclists and actually reducing the laws that apply to cyclists. So by creating an area of de jure lawlessness with cycling has necessarily led to allowing de facto lawlessness with ATVs. If they go after ATVs then the expectation would be that cyclists need to be ready for tickets.

Oh, I knew somebody would find a way to blame people on bicycles.

2 kids and a father were hit in a crosswalk on their walk to school yesterday, and it wasn't by a person driving an ATV, and it wasn't by a person riding a bicycle.

A DDOT study determined:
- 42% of cyclists violated traffic signals at intersections
- Most cyclists at intersections stop in the cross walk

So half of cyclists in DC break the law on a regular basis in a manner that puts others at risk to their safety. I will take you seriously about ATVs when you take that seriously.

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

I don't understand what you are getting at. Do you want to do away with all cars in DC or just continue to allow out of control ATV driving because cars are more dangerous? Other cities in the US are able to solve multiple problems at once, in case you are not aware.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

You tell me?

People killed by ATV operators in DC last year: 0
People killed by bicyclists in DC last year: 0
People killed by car drivers in DC last year: 37 (some of these were drivers in single-car fatal crashes)

[Anonymous]

Bottom line is that it is not SAFE for unlicensed and uninsured ATV’s (vehicles not intended for street use) to be zipping around downtown!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

You tell me?

People killed by ATV operators in DC last year: 0
People killed by bicyclists in DC last year: 0
People killed by car drivers in DC last year: 37 (some of these were drivers in single-car fatal crashes)

You are trying to argue in favor of banning atvs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is that it is not SAFE for unlicensed and uninsured ATV’s (vehicles not intended for street use) to be zipping around downtown!

You’re wrong. The data is clear that they are very safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How many people in DC did ATV drivers kill last year? How many people in DC did bicyclists kill last year? How many people in DC did car drivers kill last year?

You tell me?

People killed by ATV operators in DC last year: 0
People killed by bicyclists in DC last year: 0
People killed by car drivers in DC last year: 37 (some of these were drivers in single-car fatal crashes)

People killed by heart disease in DC last year: 1284
People killed by cancer last year in DC: 1020
People killed by stroke last year in DC: 246
People killed by homicide last year in DC: 200

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is that it is not SAFE for unlicensed and uninsured ATV’s (vehicles not intended for street use) to be zipping around downtown!

You’re wrong. The data is clear that they are very safe.

The data doesn’t reflect accidents caused by these vehicles when they are bobbing and weaving through traffic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is that it is not SAFE for unlicensed and uninsured ATV’s (vehicles not intended for street use) to be zipping around downtown!

You’re wrong. The data is clear that they are very safe.

The data doesn’t reflect accidents caused by these vehicles when they are bobbing and weaving through traffic

Okay. So how many is that and how many compared to other forms of transport?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is that it is not SAFE for unlicensed and uninsured ATV’s (vehicles not intended for street use) to be zipping around downtown!

You’re wrong. The data is clear that they are very safe.

The data doesn’t reflect accidents caused by these vehicles when they are bobbing and weaving through traffic

Okay. So how many is that and how many compared to other forms of transport?

The thing is ATVs, particularly in this case, are not transport. They serve no practical purpose for the people riding them illegally on city streets. They are recreational, and terrorizing law-abiding citizens is ultimately the most recreational aspect of this for the aforementioned dudes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whipping around on the streets of DC on motorbikes, quads and atvs doing wheelies while going 60 miles an hour, blowing through redlights, and cutting people off?

Seen it multiple times. Do we have a local police force?

This is a cultural thing. You need to stop judging and deal with it.

A few weeks ago I saw a group of them roll through a playground filled with children of various races and ethnicities. The kids were freaked out. The parents were even more freaked out. I saw nothing culturally defensible in putting Black or White children in danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whipping around on the streets of DC on motorbikes, quads and atvs doing wheelies while going 60 miles an hour, blowing through redlights, and cutting people off?

Seen it multiple times. Do we have a local police force?

This is a cultural thing. You need to stop judging and deal with it.

A few weeks ago I saw a group of them roll through a playground filled with children of various races and ethnicities. The kids were freaked out. The parents were even more freaked out. I saw nothing culturally defensible in putting Black or White children in danger.

But no one was killed! Must not be a big deal in DC then.