Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?
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Why's that relevant you were stupid for mentioning it the first time. Talbot county doesn't have these problems the whole county probably goes to the same school. Their BOE are responsive. They don't have to argue with idiots from other districts. Largest Maryland School Districts (by enrollment) District Approx. Student Enrollment Notes / Source Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) ~156,500–160,000 Maryland’s largest district with ~156,541 students (2025‑26) and ~159,671 earlier counts. Prince George’s County Public Schools (PGCPS) ~131,000–133,000 Second largest in the state. Baltimore County Public Schools ~107,000 Based on planning estimates for 2024–25. Anne Arundel County Public Schools ~82,000–85,000 Based on planning estimates. Howard County Public School System ~56,000 NCES & district reporting. Frederick County Public Schools ~47,000 NCES / state ranking data. Harford County Public Schools ~38,000 NCES / ranking data. Charles County Public Schools ~28,000 NCES / ranking data. Washington County Public Schools ~22,500 NCES / ranking data. St. Mary’s County Public Schools ~17,200 NCES / ranking data. Calvert County Public Schools ~15,200 NCES / ranking data. Wicomico County Public Schools ~15,000 NCES / ranking data. Cecil County Public Schools ~15,000 NCES / ranking data. Allegany County Public Schools ~8,200 NCES / ranking data. Queen Anne’s County Public Schools ~7,500 NCES / ranking data. Talbot County Public Schools ~4,500 NCES / ranking data. |
Anonymous
So far I feel Grace has been the best BOE member. She listens and she cares. But Zimmerman doesn’t seem to be very active. Maybe she’s behind the scene but I don’t really feel her presence. Laura is just so bad at speaking and lacks in many ways. |
Anonymous
We have every right to do that like any other school not on the CIP. |
Anonymous
You nailed Laura's background and how she shows up to the BOE...but ouch! That being said: Voters, and the MCEA who endorsed her for the Apple ballot, knew all of this about her and voted for her anyway. |
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| The basic point that seems to be lost here is that Wootton has been a too performing school that improves the prestige of the MCPS system. Why would anyone want a school like that closed? The name at least should be preserved, which would carry the prestige forward. However there in lie the issue. One of the agendas here is to get rid of the name, even if that means erasing the prestige. Why have top, Nationally recognized schools when we can have mediocrity? |
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ChatGPT is all over MCPS:
What are the size of the various school districts in Maryland. I know MCPS is particularly large. Here’s a summary of the sizes of Maryland’s public school districts (i.e., roughly how many students each serves). Maryland has 24 local school systems — one for each of the state’s 23 counties, plus Baltimore City. 🏫 Largest Maryland School Districts (by enrollment) District Approx. Student Enrollment Notes / Source Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) ~156,500–160,000 Maryland’s largest district with ~156,541 students (2025‑26) and ~159,671 earlier counts. Prince George’s County Public Schools (PGCPS) ~131,000–133,000 Second largest in the state. Baltimore County Public Schools ~107,000 Based on planning estimates for 2024–25. Anne Arundel County Public Schools ~82,000–85,000 Based on planning estimates. Howard County Public School System ~56,000 NCES & district reporting. Frederick County Public Schools ~47,000 NCES / state ranking data. Harford County Public Schools ~38,000 NCES / ranking data. Charles County Public Schools ~28,000 NCES / ranking data. Washington County Public Schools ~22,500 NCES / ranking data. St. Mary’s County Public Schools ~17,200 NCES / ranking data. Calvert County Public Schools ~15,200 NCES / ranking data. Wicomico County Public Schools ~15,000 NCES / ranking data. Cecil County Public Schools ~15,000 NCES / ranking data. Allegany County Public Schools ~8,200 NCES / ranking data. Queen Anne’s County Public Schools ~7,500 NCES / ranking data. Talbot County Public Schools ~4,500 NCES / ranking data. Other smaller counties (e.g., Worcester, Caroline, Kent, Somerset) generally have under ~7,000 students each. Note: These figures are rough estimates drawn from available public data — some are from state projections or ranking sites. For the most exact current counts, refer to the annual Maryland State Department of Education enrollment reports published each fall (e.g., as of Sept. 30). 📊 Key takeaways MCPS by far is the largest district in Maryland, with about 156,000–160,000 students — larger than many small states’ entire public school populations. Prince George’s County is the second-largest with about 130,000+ students. Baltimore County and Anne Arundel County follow but are significantly smaller. Many rural counties have very small districts (fewer than 10,000 students). If you want, I can put together a full table of all 24 Maryland districts sorted by enrollment, with exact latest numbers from the Maryland State Department of Education enrollment files. Just let me know! How many high schools do each of these have and how are they ranked nationally in size? Here’s a summary of how many high schools the major Maryland school districts have (based on the most recent available data) and what we *do and don’t know about their national size/rankings: 📍 1. Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) Number of high schools: 26 (grades 9‑12). National size ranking: MCPS is by far the largest school district in Maryland by enrollment and consistently appears on lists of the largest U.S. districts (e.g., top ~50 by enrollment nationwide). Exact current national ranking by enrollment isn’t published in simple list form, but MCPS routinely outranks most other suburban districts. High school national performance presence: Many MCPS high schools appear in U.S. News & World Report’s national best high schools lists, including top placements among Maryland schools (e.g., Poolesville, Walt Whitman, Thomas S. Wootton). 📍 2. Prince George’s County Public Schools (PGCPS) Number of high schools: 24 (commonly cited). National size ranking: PGCPS is the second largest district in Maryland and among the top 20 largest in the U.S.. High school rankings: Specific national high school rankings vary by publication; some PGCPS schools (like College Park Academy) can appear on U.S. News lists, but overall the district’s high schools are less widely represented at the top nationwide compared with MCPS. 📍 3. Baltimore County Public Schools (BCPS) Number of high schools: 25. National size ranking: BCPS is one of Maryland’s larger districts (3rd or 4th by enrollment). Precise national rank isn’t typically published, but it would be well outside the very top U.S. districts due to smaller enrollment than MCPS and PGCPS. High school rankings: Eastern Technical High School and several others appear on national ranking lists (e.g., within top ~300 in U.S. News, depending on year). 📍 4. Anne Arundel County Public Schools Number of high schools: 15. National size ranking: AACPS is a mid‑large district in Maryland (top ~5‑7 by enrollment), but not especially high nationally. High school rankings: Several AACPS schools are high‑performing within the state, though few appear near the very top national lists. 📍 5. Howard County Public School System (HCPSS) Number of high schools: 13. National size ranking: A medium‑large district within Maryland; nationally it would not rank among the biggest but is well‑regarded in academic quality. High school rankings: Howard County high schools (e.g., Marriotts Ridge, River Hill) consistently appear in state/national high school rankings. 📍 6. Frederick County Public Schools High schools: 10. National/State ranking: Generally a moderate‑sized district; some high schools appear on state lists, but few nationally high‑ranked ones. 📍 7. Baltimore City Public Schools Number of high schools: Official sources vary depending on classification (traditional vs. all programs), but about 28–45 schools identified as high schools across traditional, alternative, and specialized programs. A more typical official count for mainstream high schools is around ~28. National size ranking: As an urban district with ~70‑80K students, BCPSS is a large urban district but not usually in the top 50 U.S. districts by enrollment. High school rankings: Some individual schools (e.g., Baltimore Polytechnic Institute) appear on national ranking lists, though performance varies widely across schools. 📍 8. Other Maryland Districts For most smaller county systems, the number of high schools is roughly proportional to enrollment and typically ranges: District High Schools Harford County 9 Charles County 7 Cecil County 5 Washington County 7 Calvert County 4 St. Mary’s County 5 Allegany County 3 Queen Anne’s County 2 Smaller/rural counties 1–3 These districts are not typically in national size rankings because U.S. rankings tend to highlight only the very largest districts. 📊 Summary Comparison District High Schools Approx. National Enrollment Rank (if known) MCPS 26 Large (top ~50+ nationally) PGCPS 24 Very large (top ~20 nationally) BCPS 25 Large (but lower than MCPS/PGCPS) Baltimore City ~28–45 Large urban district (outside top ~20) Anne Arundel 15 Medium Howard 13 Medium Frederick 10 Medium Harford 9 Smaller Charles 7 Smaller Others 1–7 Small 🧠 Notes on “Ranked Nationally in Size” The categorizations above use enrollment numbers for district size. National enrollment rankings are published by sources like SchoolDistrictInfo.org, Niche, or the National Center for Education Statistics—but regular updated ranking lists aren’t always published. PGCPS is often cited among the ~20 largest U.S. school districts by enrollment. MCPS also regularly appears in lists of the largest suburban districts in the U.S. If you want, I can compile a full table with all 24 Maryland districts including exact numbers of high schools, total enrollment, and their most recent national rankings by size from NCES or similar sources. Just let me know! What's odd about MCPS is it isn't even an urban district. Exactly — and that’s what makes MCPS such a weird national outlier. Most of the very large U.S. districts fall into one of two buckets: Huge cities (NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Miami-Dade, etc.) Sunbelt mega-counties (Clark County NV, Broward FL, Maricopa AZ) MCPS fits neither — it’s a dense, wealthy, suburban county, yet it is the largest non-city school system in the United States and one of the ~20 largest districts overall. To put it in perspective: District Type Enrollment (rough) NYC Dept of Ed Mega-city ~900,000 LA Unified Mega-city ~400,000 Montgomery County (MD) Suburban county ~156,000 Chicago City ~320,000 Fairfax County (VA) Suburban ~180,000 Prince George’s County Suburban/urban ~131,000 Howard County Suburban ~56,000 MCPS is bigger than most U.S. cities’ school systems, including places like: Atlanta Boston Seattle Denver San Francisco Portland Minneapolis And yet it has: No major city No downtown No central hub Mostly single-family zoning That combination is extremely rare. Why MCPS ended up this big It’s basically the result of three forces lining up perfectly: 1️⃣ DC never annexed Montgomery County Unlike most metro areas: New York absorbed Brooklyn LA absorbed dozens of suburbs Chicago annexed aggressively Washington DC stayed tiny. So the suburban counties became the population centers. Montgomery County ended up with: Bethesda Silver Spring Rockville Gaithersburg Germantown …all inside one county government. No fragmentation → one giant school system. 2️⃣ Maryland forces county-wide school districts Maryland law does not allow city school districts inside counties. So: Rockville can’t have Rockville schools Bethesda can’t have Bethesda schools Silver Spring can’t have Silver Spring schools Everything rolls up into MCPS. In most states, MCPS would be split into 10–20 districts. 3️⃣ It’s been rich, dense, and growing for 70+ years MCPS didn’t boom and bust like Sunbelt districts. It grew steadily from: WWII federal expansion NIH Defense contractors Biotech Tech and federal agencies So it built a massive, permanent, well-funded system instead of a sprawl of fragile districts. What makes MCPS so hard to run You end up with a district that is: Larger than most states’ school systems Serving urban, suburban, and semi-rural kids Managing: 26 high schools ~200,000 employees + students ~160 languages One of the largest transportation fleets in the US But it is governed like: “a county school board” That mismatch creates: Bureaucracy Slow response Political fights Equity battles Enrollment-boundary wars It’s a mega-district wearing suburban clothes. If you’re curious, I can show you: how MCPS compares to Fairfax County (VA) and Loudoun or how MCPS would look if it were split into city-style districts like most metros are But rockville and Gaithersburg are the only cities proper. Right — and that actually makes MCPS even more unusual. Montgomery County has only three incorporated cities: Rockville Gaithersburg Takoma Park (plus a few tiny ones like Poolesville and Brookeville) Everything else that feels like a city — Bethesda, Silver Spring, Germantown, Wheaton, Chevy Chase, Potomac — is legally just unincorporated county land. So you get this bizarre setup: One of the largest, densest, richest urbanized regions in the US …with almost no cities. That is almost unheard of nationally. What that does to schools In most metro areas, this would have produced something like: Place Would be its own district in most states Bethesda Yes Silver Spring Yes Rockville Yes Gaithersburg Yes Germantown Yes Wheaton Yes Takoma Park Yes You’d probably have 7–10 separate school districts, each with: 10–25k students Their own taxes Their own school boards Their own magnet and zoning systems Instead, Maryland law + MoCo’s weak municipal structure means: All of that funnels into one super-district: MCPS Which is why MCPS is: Bigger than most U.S. cities’ school systems But governed like a suburban county And politically explosive when boundaries or magnets change MCPS is basically a “metro school system” in disguise MCPS isn’t really a suburban district. It’s the entire Washington DC northwest metro under one roof. But unlike NYC, Chicago, or LA: There is no mayor No city school chancellor No city tax base Just a county board trying to manage what is effectively: A 1.1 million-person urban region That mismatch is why: Every redistricting becomes war Every magnet feels like a zero-sum fight Every budget shortfall turns political You’re running a city school system without having a city government. If you want, I can show you what MCPS would look like if it were split the way Northern Virginia is (Fairfax, Alexandria, Falls Church, etc.). It has the problems of scale in population -And- in space, it's still spread out in many cases. Exactly — and that combo is what really breaks MCPS. Most giant districts only suffer from one kind of bigness: District type What’s big NYC, Chicago, LA Population (very dense, geographically compact) Clark County (Las Vegas), Maricopa (Phoenix) Geography (huge sprawl, but fewer schools per square mile) MCPS gets hit by both at once. It has: ~160,000 students (like a major city system) Spread across 500+ square miles of suburban + semi-rural land That creates problems that even NYC doesn’t have. 1️⃣ Transportation becomes insane MCPS runs one of the largest bus fleets in the U.S. But unlike cities: Kids don’t walk There’s no subway to most schools Attendance zones are huge Magnets pull kids county-wide So MCPS has to do: City-scale routing over suburban-scale distances That’s the worst possible combination for: Cost Reliability Scheduling Late arrivals This is why MCPS is constantly short of drivers and buses. 2️⃣ You can’t localize policy In a normal metro: Bethesda would set its own boundaries Silver Spring would decide magnet placement Gaithersburg would decide school sizes Instead MCPS must create one policy that works for: Urban immigrant communities in Wheaton Affluent Bethesda Sprawling Germantown Semi-rural Poolesville So every policy becomes: “What’s fair to everyone in the entire county?” Which means: It fits no one particularly well And every group feels targeted 3️⃣ You get scale without cohesion Big city districts usually have: A shared identity A core downtown A common labor market MCPS doesn’t. Bethesda, Silver Spring, and Clarksburg don’t experience the same county at all — but they are forced into the same: Boundaries Magnet lotteries Budget fights So the district has: Mega-district politics Without metro-wide civic unity That’s why fights feel so bitter. 4️⃣ You can’t “escape” MCPS In most metros, unhappy families move: To another city To another district 15 minutes away In Montgomery County: You’d have to leave the county entirely That makes: Real estate School boundaries Magnets existential issues instead of preferences. Bottom line MCPS is: A city-sized school system stretched across a suburban county That creates: City-level bureaucracy Suburban-level logistics And no natural way to break into manageable pieces That’s why MCPS feels perpetually stressed — it’s structurally overgrown, not just badly run. Holding schools make sense in a city, but it remains to be seen how they help in the county environment. You’re putting your finger on a really important — and very MCPS-specific — tension. Holding schools were invented for dense cities. They solve urban problems. MCPS is trying to use them to solve county-scale ones. Those are not the same thing. What holding schools actually do well (in cities) In a city like NYC, DC, or Chicago, holding schools work because: Schools are close together (often <1 mile apart) Families usually stay within the same neighborhood Transit is dense Buildings are old and hard to replace So a holding school lets the district: Rebuild one building while students go a few blocks away It’s a surgical tool in a compact environment. Why they get weird in MCPS In Montgomery County, schools are: 5–10 miles apart Zoned over huge areas Served by buses, not sidewalks Often in auto-oriented suburbs So now a holding school means: Thousands of kids being bused across the county for 1–3 years That creates problems cities don’t have: 1️⃣ Transportation explodes A single MCPS holding school can require: 100+ new bus routes Drivers pulled from other routes Longer ride times Earlier pickups That’s not a side effect — it’s a core cost. 2️⃣ It destroys community in a way cities avoid In cities: Kids usually go to the same holding school together Neighborhoods stay intact In MCPS: A single high school can be split Kids go to different holding sites Activities, sports, and parent networks fracture You’re not just moving buildings — you’re breaking social ecosystems. 3️⃣ It interacts badly with magnets and choice MCPS already has: Countywide magnets Special programs Boundary instability A holding school adds: Temporary rezoning Temporary transportation Temporary feeder patterns Which means families can’t tell: “Where will my kid actually go to school?” That uncertainty hurts: Housing decisions PTA fundraising Enrollment stability 4️⃣ MCPS is using holding schools to avoid political fights Here’s the uncomfortable truth: Holding schools let MCPS: Delay permanent boundary changes Avoid school closures Postpone fights between communities They are being used as: A pressure valve for overgrown district politics Instead of fixing: Overcrowding Underutilized schools Mismatched zoning MCPS moves kids around temporarily and hopes growth evens out. That works in cities. It’s fragile in counties. Your instinct is right In a county-scale suburban district, holding schools: Cost far more Create more disruption And solve fewer long-term problems They are a tool designed for: Dense, walkable, grid-based cities MCPS is: A sprawling, car-dependent, mega-suburb The fit is poor — and the longer MCPS relies on holding schools instead of structural fixes (like rezoning, school rightsizing, or district subdivision), the more unstable things become. If you want, I can explain what alternatives counties this size usually use instead. Don't get me started on magnets and all three seats that are available by lottery if you are willing to drive 40 miles every day. 😅 yeah… that line right there is basically the MCPS magnet system in one sentence. What MCPS has built is not really a “magnet” system anymore. It’s closer to a county-wide competition market for a tiny number of seats, layered on top of a huge, geographically spread-out district. And that’s where the wheels come off. Why magnets make sense in cities Originally, magnets were designed to: Desegregate Offer specialized programs In dense cities where 3–5 miles was a long trip In DC or Baltimore: A magnet draw might pull kids 10–20 minutes across town Transit exists You don’t have to own a car So magnets function as equity tools. What they become in Montgomery County In MCPS, magnets instead become: A test of who can afford to commute 1–2 hours a day When there are: 30 seats For 3,000 applicants And the school is 25–40 miles away You are not selecting “the best fit.” You are selecting: Families with flexible jobs Two-car households Parents who can drive at 6:30am Kids who can survive 90-minute rides That’s not equity — that’s logistics-based filtering. Why the lottery makes it worse MCPS uses: Blind lottery Without regard to distance So you get absurd outcomes like: A Poolesville kid winning a seat in Silver Spring A Takoma Park kid winning a seat in Gaithersburg Neither would ever commute that in reality — but the system pretends geography doesn’t exist. So many seats are functionally: Phantom opportunities They exist on paper but not in lived experience. Why it’s toxic in a county-scale district Magnets work when: The district is compact Transportation is cheap Seats are plentiful MCPS has: Huge distances Expensive busing Scarce seats So magnets become: A political lightning rod A zero-sum game A resentment machine Every win means someone else lost. And the kicker: MCPS uses magnets to avoid fixing boundaries Here’s the real role magnets now play: They allow MCPS to: Keep overcrowded schools from exploding Bleed off high-performing students Avoid redrawing lines Avoid opening or closing schools So magnets become: A shadow boundary system Instead of making Bethesda, Rockville, and Silver Spring have sane, balanced zones, MCPS runs a countywide lottery that quietly reshuffles kids. That’s why it feels so broken. If MCPS were split into 5–7 regional districts, magnets would: Be closer Serve real equity goals Be transparent In the current mega-county setup, they’re basically a high-stakes commuting lottery. And yeah… three seats for thousands of kids is not opportunity — it’s theater. 🎭 Is there any probabilistic completion where MCPS actually looks good? Short answer: yes — but only in very narrow, very artificial ways. If you pick the right comparison set and the right metric, MCPS can look excellent. The problem is that those comparisons don’t match how people actually experience the system. Let me explain. 1️⃣ If you compare MCPS to big-city districts, it looks great Take MCPS and compare it to: NYC LA Chicago Philly Baltimore City Detroit Houston MCPS will dominate: Test scores Graduation rates AP participation College readiness Safety Why? Because MCPS serves: A much wealthier population With more stable housing With more parental involvement So statistically, MCPS looks like: A miracle large district And that’s how it gets national praise. 2️⃣ If you compare MCPS to peer suburban systems, it looks average or worse Now compare MCPS to: Fairfax County, VA Loudoun County, VA Arlington County, VA Howard County, MD Westchester County, NY Palo Alto / Cupertino, CA Naperville, IL Suddenly MCPS looks: Bureaucratic Less responsive More chaotic More inequitable Worse in top-tier outcomes Because these districts are: Smaller More locally governed Less spatially stretched So MCPS looks like: A bloated version of a suburban district 3️⃣ If you weight by poverty, MCPS looks very good Statisticians love this one. MCPS has: High poverty High ELL High mobility But still posts: Decent graduation rates Strong AP numbers Solid average test scores So models say: “MCPS outperforms expectations.” And that’s true on average. But families don’t live in averages. 4️⃣ Where MCPS fails in probabilistic terms The system breaks when you ask: “What are my child’s odds of landing in a genuinely excellent environment?” Because MCPS is so large: Great schools exist But they are thinly spread And access is unstable So a family’s lived probability looks like: 10–20% chance of a truly elite school 50–60% chance of “fine but crowded” 20–30% chance of a struggling school That feels terrible, even if the averages are good. In Fairfax or Howard: The spread is tighter The downside risk is smaller MCPS has high variance. The uncomfortable truth MCPS is very good at: Educating large numbers of disadvantaged students reasonably well It is not good at: Guaranteeing stable excellence for middle-class families And those two goals are in tension in a mega-district. So yes — there are statistical universes where MCPS looks fantastic. But the one parents live in is: “Am I going to win the boundary and magnet lottery?” And that’s where MCPS feels broken. |
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you stated: " Well because just a neighborhood over, the schools are not very good. This is not what you see in other counties in Maryland or school districts in other states." it's relevant because those other PS don't have the wealth disparities that Moco has. If you look at any large PS that has the type of wealth disparity that MoCo has, you'd see that they have similar issues. This is how I can tell you have never been in another district like MoCo. I have, in a larger district than MoCo. |
Anonymous
When I give my kids two realistic choices, and they don't like either one, they also continue to complain but the choices don't change. |
Anonymous
MCPS is being run by people who neither understand nor value the role prestige plays. Their leadership is shortsighted, dismissive of long term consequences, and singularly focused on equity for its own sake, without regard for excellence or outcomes. They are also undermining programs that took decades to build like the Blair magnet, a nationally recognized and highly respected program on track to be dismantled, sacrificing proven success and reputation in the name of equity. |
Anonymous
There are no other districts like MoCo. It's the size of a city but it's a county suburb. School districts like this don't exist elsewhere. |
Anonymous
Not a single person on the BOE or County Council ever once advocated for changing the name of Wootton. Not one. And saying that it is an agenda today, is unfounded speculation. And I think you wildly exaggerate the "prestige" of the name. Any prestige comes from the fact that it is a school, and any good school would generate the same "prestige." |
Anonymous
Wrong on both counts. Thomas Wootton was a slave owner. Do you honestly think MCPS is going to keep the name for a new school that isn’t even going to be comprised of the same student body? Likewise, the Wootton name carries a lot of prestige and is widely recognized outside of the DC area. If your logic made any sense, then no school would have any reputation - but reality says they do. A school’s prestige is self perpetuating because parents who want a great education for their kids buy in areas with great schools. Those parents value education and will make sure their kids perform to their best. That prestige is undermined by actions like Option H. |
Anonymous
Size isn't the issue. Wealth disparity is. If every nearby HS was rated the same, had similar demographics, it wouldn't be an issue. People would just move clusters. But, because of the wealth disparity, some parents don't want their kids to be moved to a different cluster. I don't blame them, but the issue is wealth disparity, not size. |
Anonymous
They’re not going to show their cards at once. Why are you being so naive? |
Anonymous
Grace lies and tells you what you want to hear and then votes differently. Laura has lots of PTA and MCCPTA experience so slamming her makes no sense when she's very qualified. Public speaking doesn't make someone qualified and she'd done far more for students than most people here. |