Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is space to move Crossfield to KAA - think they'll likely be at SLHS

Disagree. I think the Emerald Chase move to SLHS means they will move Crossfield to KAA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

Maybe but how does moving Floris, Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, Crossfield and even potentially part of Lees Corner square with KAA only having a future enrollment of 2000? Can you walk us through the numbers.

They will keep Lees Corner at Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I think is going on with Lewis.

The county cannot officially make Lewis an ESL school (that would be illegal), but through their actions they seem to be pushing it that way.

They slightly shrank the boundaries with this latest map. This could reduce the population further (on track to be around 1450 in a couple of years). Remember, in both 2005 and 2015 the boundaries of Lewis (Lee) were made smaller and the enrollment fell from over 2100 to its current 1539.

At Lewis they stick with a woefully underperforming IB program and have shrunk the language choices to a minimum. They put in a STEM program at Edison next door. All of this allows (and incentivizes) families who live within the Lewis boundaries to pupil place to other schools. These are typically families with more resources that can provide their own transportation and likely get more education support at home.

The end effect is Lewis having more high-needs students and fewer advanced students. This theoretically allows the county to focus on high-needs students while more advanced students transfer to different schools to access more advanced courses. They must think this will make the job for Lewis administrators and teachers easier. The problem is that right now they don’t appear to be getting those high-needs students to perform very well (only so much a school can do without proper influence from the home), and it is doing a disservice to advanced students who have to stay at Lewis (fewer advanced courses, fewer instances of those courses).

If they had addressed this 10-15 years ago they may have been able to avert Lewis from becoming a pariah. At this point Lewis is so far down the high ESL / high poverty line that the thought of moving any students to Lewis is seen as cataclysmic. I think all of this explains why no students are being moved to Lewis.

This is very insightful. It's the educational equivalent of what used to be referred to as "planned shrinkage" in urban planning circles, where city governments purposefully neglected certain run-down areas on the theory you could eventually empty them out without having to make infrastructure investments that would take money away from healthier areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing was done about Greenbriar East split feeder. Obviously not all community comments were considered.

They did make some changes, seem to have screwed over the apartments near Walmart in the process though.... But Chantilly can't accomodate the entire Greenbriar East boundary without making significant changes elsewhere.

KAA would be freeing Chantilly high. Not sure why that is not being considered?

I'm not sure that bringing the rest of GBE to Chantilly in exchange for letting go of Oak Hill really does much to address overcrowding at Chantilly, would it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

Maybe but how does moving Floris, Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, Crossfield and even potentially part of Lees Corner square with KAA only having a future enrollment of 2000? Can you walk us through the numbers.

They will keep Lees Corner at Chantilly.

Even 100% of the first five schools might be a stretch although they'd be shrinking Coates as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing was done about Greenbriar East split feeder. Obviously not all community comments were considered.

They did make some changes, seem to have screwed over the apartments near Walmart in the process though.... But Chantilly can't accomodate the entire Greenbriar East boundary without making significant changes elsewhere.

KAA would be freeing Chantilly high. Not sure why that is not being considered?

I'm not sure that bringing the rest of GBE to Chantilly in exchange for letting go of Oak Hill really does much to address overcrowding at Chantilly, would it?

Point. But GBE is a Split feeder - half the school already goes to Chantilly. The concern is only for the remaining half. Isn't it better for the cohort to move together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

Maybe but how does moving Floris, Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, Crossfield and even potentially part of Lees Corner square with KAA only having a future enrollment of 2000? Can you walk us through the numbers.

If you look at all of those school's profiles for the first five you mentioned, they get you to 500 per grade. Oak Hill and Crossfield have declining populations if you look at K - 6. I'm sure that will change in the next 10-15 years as the boomers move out and young families move in but for now, they have really small class sizes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the western boundaries - it's pretty clear to me that they are making some moves in anticipation of the new (KAA) high school, namely:

1. Moving some from Centreville to Westfield so they can shift Floris/Coates/McNair to KAA

2. Moving some from Fairfax to Chantilly so they can move Oak Hill and maybe some of Lees Corner to KAA

3. Moving some from Fairfax to Oakton so they can move Crossfield to KAA

I'm not sure what the end goal is in moving Emerald Chase to South Lakes unless it's so that they can move Floris from South Lakes to KAA. It's silly though because Emerald Chase is very close to KAA.

Maybe but how does moving Floris, Coates, McNair, Oak Hill, Crossfield and even potentially part of Lees Corner square with KAA only having a future enrollment of 2000? Can you walk us through the numbers.

If you look at all of those school's profiles for the first five you mentioned, they get you to 500 per grade. Oak Hill and Crossfield have declining populations if you look at K - 6. I'm sure that will change in the next 10-15 years as the boomers move out and young families move in but for now, they have really small class sizes.

Remember: Not all the kids currently at Coates will end up at Carson - KAA.

[Anonymous]

Wow, they are proposing to move part of the Town of Vienna to Marshall. I think that would be the first time part of the TOV didn't go to Madison since the mid-80s (part of TOV used to go to Oakton).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is space to move Crossfield to KAA - think they'll likely be at SLHS

Disagree. I think the Emerald Chase move to SLHS means they will move Crossfield to KAA.

I think that will ultimately get changed when KAA maps come out. If Oak Hill is moving to KAA, can’t imagine they would have it be a split feeder.

[Anonymous]

One thing we can be sure - if Thru is drawing the KAA boundaries as well, the unexpected is bound to happen - no matter how much we discuss here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, they are proposing to move part of the Town of Vienna to Marshall. I think that would be the first time part of the TOV didn't go to Madison since the mid-80s (part of TOV used to go to Oakton).

I’m curious if this will be the hot button issue for this iteration of maps. I have a feeling Marshall will pretty much revert to its base boundaries with the exception of the Vienna ES change. The question is whether that can keep Kilmer in check.

[Anonymous]

Question for all of you: I live in Sangster/Irving/West Springfield in the walk zone to Sangster. Scenario 4 has us moving to Lake Braddock for 7-12 to eliminate the split feeder.

I currently have an 8th grader at Irving. Does he have to switch to LBSS? Or can he pick which school to attend because it’s a secondary school and he’s not a rising 7th grader?

He wants to continue to WSHS. His older sibling is at WSHS and most of the friends he made in middle school will go as well. Since we already made the split from the elementary split feeder do we get to stay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:...so are people somewhat happy with Scenario 4? Doesn't seem to be as bad as previous scenarios and fixes some key issues (though admittedly, not all)

We’re happy… our elementary school boundary is staying where it is. Our high school is staying, but it looks like it fixed the split feeder from middle - so DS will get to stay with a lot of his new friends from middle into high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for all of you: I live in Sangster/Irving/West Springfield in the walk zone to Sangster. Scenario 4 has us moving to Lake Braddock for 7-12 to eliminate the split feeder.

I currently have an 8th grader at Irving. Does he have to switch to LBSS? Or can he pick which school to attend because it’s a secondary school and he’s not a rising 7th grader?

He wants to continue to WSHS. His older sibling is at WSHS and most of the friends he made in middle school will go as well. Since we already made the split from the elementary split feeder do we get to stay?

That's a really good question.

The rules for Middle and High Schools are clear - he would go to LB. Only rising 10-12 are given a choice.

The rules for Secondary schools are different. Rising 8-12 are given a choice.

It seems like the secondary school rules would not apply here since it's meant to keep a cohort together?