Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

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Anonymous wrote:gosh, I just hope it is not Stacey Abrams.....she seems obnoxious....pressuring a VP post from Biden. .....at least that is what I read. I hope Biden will not give in and pick her. Would be bad idea.

I find her open ambition refreshing.

It's a bit too much in my opinion, like she is entitled for the VP role....really? And I read that there is a lot of pressure on Biden to pick her.
Anyway, she is not the right choice.

I think she is the right choice because she would energize a key component of the Dem base, African-American women, some of the party's steadfast loyalists (See Jones, Doug - 2017 special election). Biden doesn't need Klobuchar in the Midwest as Biden bleeds the Midwest. Abrams grew up middle class and continues to work in communities most affected by this crisis - we need common sense and compassion right now, both sorely lacking in this admin. Any black woman who has reached this pinnacle has been tested every day. Abrams is no different. Biden needs her to win.

This has been discussed a lot already - the ones who need to be fired up is no the Dem base. It is Bernie people, the people who did not vote last time and the people who voted for Trump but do not want to vote for him again. Abrams NOT the right choice. Amy or Liz much better.

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Anonymous wrote:gosh, I just hope it is not Stacey Abrams.....she seems obnoxious....pressuring a VP post from Biden. .....at least that is what I read. I hope Biden will not give in and pick her. Would be bad idea.

I find her open ambition refreshing.

It's a bit too much in my opinion, like she is entitled for the VP role....really? And I read that there is a lot of pressure on Biden to pick her.
Anyway, she is not the right choice.

I think she is the right choice because she would energize a key component of the Dem base, African-American women, some of the party's steadfast loyalists (See Jones, Doug - 2017 special election). Biden doesn't need Klobuchar in the Midwest as Biden bleeds the Midwest. Abrams grew up middle class and continues to work in communities most affected by this crisis - we need common sense and compassion right now, both sorely lacking in this admin. Any black woman who has reached this pinnacle has been tested every day. Abrams is no different. Biden needs her to win.

DP here. She is definitely the wrong choice. The VPOTUS has to be someone who has the executive experience to take over running the operations of the biggest bureaucracy in the world. Even if the experience is not in politics, there should be executive experience. Should POTUS be unavailable, even for something like surgery or an accident, Covid-19 or anything else that may happen, the VPOTUS may need to step into a running organization and keep it running until the POTUS is available. Stacey Abrams is extremely inexperienced for the office. 10 years as a state legislator is not even close. And since she was cheated out of the Georgia's governorship, she has started up a small non-profit. A small start-up is hardly executive experience for running the federal government. At least Buttigieg was a mayor. He had 8 solid years, two terms as a political executive running a small city. Far more relevant experience than Abrams, and even he got chastised repeatedly for being inexperienced and told to run for governor, US Senate or US Congress and then come back with more experience.

Abrams needs to actually run something that has multiple moving parts, departments, and many employees. It's like a grade schooler trying to teach a college course. The only thing that she has in her favor are the identity politics. Right now, with Biden's age, concerns about his physical and mental health and the fact that he is in the most susceptible age group for serious complications from the pandemic, voters, especially swing voters need some reassurance that voting for Biden will be a good thing. If he becomes incapacitated, even temporarily, the voters need to be assured that his running mate is qualified and capable of taking over the reins and running the government. Abrams does not give any such confidence. She will lock in the black women's vote, a vote that almost assuredly Biden already has (they are not going to vote for Trump). But, she will turn away many critical swing voters, independents and moderates who will not trust that she is up to the task of succeeding Biden should he become temporarily or permanently indisposed from office. Selecting Abrams will be handing the election to Trump just to appease the base. As the saying goes, winning to battle just to lose the war.

Those who are looking at identity politics need to step back and consider the full pictures. If you are going to select a minority woman, you need someone that instills confidence that she can handle the job. There are many women with the right qualifications, but relatively few with minority credentials. Harris, Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, and Rice are all qualified minority women with significantly more appropriate experience that Abrams. Even Atlanta Mayor Lance Bottoms has more experience and has gotten national recognition for the media battle of words with the man who cheated Abrams out of the governor's mansion.

totally agree with this poster! Very calm, intelligent post. I would add to your list Amy or Liz. They might have to be a compromise and VP might have to be a white woman. VP needs to be either not white or a woman, but since Biden has committed for a female VP, voters might need to compromise.

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Anonymous wrote:These old white guys were/are so disgusting. I wonder if Biden even knows this story though. Dodd was instrumental on banking and Obamacare committees, surely that's why he was picked.

You have to forgive Dodd and Teddie Kennedy their halcyon days.

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

If someone can explain Abrams’ appeal I would love to hear it. Biden does need her to get AA voters, so what does she bring?

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

If someone can explain Abrams’ appeal I would love to hear it. Biden does need her to get AA voters, so what does she bring?

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

If someone can explain Abrams’ appeal I would love to hear it. Biden does need her to get AA voters, so what does she bring?

Apart from this VP push - which just seems weird af to me. She smacked his campaign down HARD last year when they trial ballooned her as a possible VP - she’s incredibly, incredibly intelligent. In a few more years and with more experience, I’d like her just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

If someone can explain Abrams’ appeal I would love to hear it. Biden does need her to get AA voters, so what does she bring?

Apart from this VP push - which just seems weird af to me. She smacked his campaign down HARD last year when they trial ballooned her as a possible VP - she’s incredibly, incredibly intelligent. In a few more years and with more experience, I’d like her just fine.

This. I'm pretty annoyed she decided not to run for the GA Senate seat though, would have positioned her well for 2024 or 2028.

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

+2. Prefer Warren over her. I’m a black suburban mom. Abrams needs more experience, like Buttigieg.

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

+2. Prefer Warren over her. I’m a black suburban mom. Abrams needs more experience, like Buttigieg.

She also needs to have a conversation with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:gosh, I just hope it is not Stacey Abrams.....she seems obnoxious....pressuring a VP post from Biden. .....at least that is what I read. I hope Biden will not give in and pick her. Would be bad idea.

I find her open ambition refreshing.

It's a bit too much in my opinion, like she is entitled for the VP role....really? And I read that there is a lot of pressure on Biden to pick her.
Anyway, she is not the right choice.

I think she is the right choice because she would energize a key component of the Dem base, African-American women, some of the party's steadfast loyalists (See Jones, Doug - 2017 special election). Biden doesn't need Klobuchar in the Midwest as Biden bleeds the Midwest. Abrams grew up middle class and continues to work in communities most affected by this crisis - we need common sense and compassion right now, both sorely lacking in this admin. Any black woman who has reached this pinnacle has been tested every day. Abrams is no different. Biden needs her to win.

DP here. She is definitely the wrong choice. The VPOTUS has to be someone who has the executive experience to take over running the operations of the biggest bureaucracy in the world. Even if the experience is not in politics, there should be executive experience. Should POTUS be unavailable, even for something like surgery or an accident, Covid-19 or anything else that may happen, the VPOTUS may need to step into a running organization and keep it running until the POTUS is available. Stacey Abrams is extremely inexperienced for the office. 10 years as a state legislator is not even close. And since she was cheated out of the Georgia's governorship, she has started up a small non-profit. A small start-up is hardly executive experience for running the federal government. At least Buttigieg was a mayor. He had 8 solid years, two terms as a political executive running a small city. Far more relevant experience than Abrams, and even he got chastised repeatedly for being inexperienced and told to run for governor, US Senate or US Congress and then come back with more experience.

Abrams needs to actually run something that has multiple moving parts, departments, and many employees. It's like a grade schooler trying to teach a college course. The only thing that she has in her favor are the identity politics. Right now, with Biden's age, concerns about his physical and mental health and the fact that he is in the most susceptible age group for serious complications from the pandemic, voters, especially swing voters need some reassurance that voting for Biden will be a good thing. If he becomes incapacitated, even temporarily, the voters need to be assured that his running mate is qualified and capable of taking over the reins and running the government. Abrams does not give any such confidence. She will lock in the black women's vote, a vote that almost assuredly Biden already has (they are not going to vote for Trump). But, she will turn away many critical swing voters, independents and moderates who will not trust that she is up to the task of succeeding Biden should he become temporarily or permanently indisposed from office. Selecting Abrams will be handing the election to Trump just to appease the base. As the saying goes, winning to battle just to lose the war.

Those who are looking at identity politics need to step back and consider the full pictures. If you are going to select a minority woman, you need someone that instills confidence that she can handle the job. There are many women with the right qualifications, but relatively few with minority credentials. Harris, Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, and Rice are all qualified minority women with significantly more appropriate experience that Abrams. Even Atlanta Mayor Lance Bottoms has more experience and has gotten national recognition for the media battle of words with the man who cheated Abrams out of the governor's mansion.

totally agree with this poster! Very calm, intelligent post. I would add to your list Amy or Liz. They might have to be a compromise and VP might have to be a white woman. VP needs to be either not white or a woman, but since Biden has committed for a female VP, voters might need to compromise.

I am the PP you are responding to. The short list I mentioned above was only those who are minority women. If you are going to include white women, Not only are your two A-list candidates, but so is Gretchen Whitmer. Tammy Baldwin is an additional B-list white candidate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:gosh, I just hope it is not Stacey Abrams.....she seems obnoxious....pressuring a VP post from Biden. .....at least that is what I read. I hope Biden will not give in and pick her. Would be bad idea.

I find her open ambition refreshing.

It's a bit too much in my opinion, like she is entitled for the VP role....really? And I read that there is a lot of pressure on Biden to pick her.
Anyway, she is not the right choice.

I think she is the right choice because she would energize a key component of the Dem base, African-American women, some of the party's steadfast loyalists (See Jones, Doug - 2017 special election). Biden doesn't need Klobuchar in the Midwest as Biden bleeds the Midwest. Abrams grew up middle class and continues to work in communities most affected by this crisis - we need common sense and compassion right now, both sorely lacking in this admin. Any black woman who has reached this pinnacle has been tested every day. Abrams is no different. Biden needs her to win.

DP here. She is definitely the wrong choice. The VPOTUS has to be someone who has the executive experience to take over running the operations of the biggest bureaucracy in the world. Even if the experience is not in politics, there should be executive experience. Should POTUS be unavailable, even for something like surgery or an accident, Covid-19 or anything else that may happen, the VPOTUS may need to step into a running organization and keep it running until the POTUS is available. Stacey Abrams is extremely inexperienced for the office. 10 years as a state legislator is not even close. And since she was cheated out of the Georgia's governorship, she has started up a small non-profit. A small start-up is hardly executive experience for running the federal government. At least Buttigieg was a mayor. He had 8 solid years, two terms as a political executive running a small city. Far more relevant experience than Abrams, and even he got chastised repeatedly for being inexperienced and told to run for governor, US Senate or US Congress and then come back with more experience.

Abrams needs to actually run something that has multiple moving parts, departments, and many employees. It's like a grade schooler trying to teach a college course. The only thing that she has in her favor are the identity politics. Right now, with Biden's age, concerns about his physical and mental health and the fact that he is in the most susceptible age group for serious complications from the pandemic, voters, especially swing voters need some reassurance that voting for Biden will be a good thing. If he becomes incapacitated, even temporarily, the voters need to be assured that his running mate is qualified and capable of taking over the reins and running the government. Abrams does not give any such confidence. She will lock in the black women's vote, a vote that almost assuredly Biden already has (they are not going to vote for Trump). But, she will turn away many critical swing voters, independents and moderates who will not trust that she is up to the task of succeeding Biden should he become temporarily or permanently indisposed from office. Selecting Abrams will be handing the election to Trump just to appease the base. As the saying goes, winning to battle just to lose the war.

Those who are looking at identity politics need to step back and consider the full pictures. If you are going to select a minority woman, you need someone that instills confidence that she can handle the job. There are many women with the right qualifications, but relatively few with minority credentials. Harris, Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, and Rice are all qualified minority women with significantly more appropriate experience that Abrams. Even Atlanta Mayor Lance Bottoms has more experience and has gotten national recognition for the media battle of words with the man who cheated Abrams out of the governor's mansion.

Excellent post! I’m a black woman who fiercely supported Buttigieg.

[Anonymous]

If you don't think Stacey Abrams is a good option,

What do you think about Muriel Bowser? Clearly she doesn't bring a big state with her for electoral college votes, but she is a black woman who has run something.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think Stacey Abrams is a good option,

What do you think about Muriel Bowser? Clearly she doesn't bring a big state with her for electoral college votes, but she is a black woman who has run something.

But is widely perceived as not doing it well. Keisha Lance Bottoms would be a much better pick.

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Anonymous wrote:Abrams can fire up the base, but could potentially turn off suburban soccer moms who will want someone who can be president from day 1 if necessary (which it could be, come on). Abrams is an absurd choice by that metric. Only Warren and Klobuchar have the experience, together with Grisham and a few other NE Senators. They're not ideal in some respects, but they meet what should be the number one criterion: experience and policy chops.

totally agree! Abrams is big turn-off for me, and I am not even a suburban soccer mom.

+2. Prefer Warren over her. I’m a black suburban mom. Abrams needs more experience, like Buttigieg.

I’m super annoyed by this even before her thirsty VP push.