US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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I am happy with Supreme Court ruling. I honestly think at some level it also benefits African Americans. Mentally, if I see an African American going to let's say Harvard, I would think, good for them, but they got an easy way in without knowing anything about their GPA and other accomplishments. This is my unconscious bias.

Hopefully, now the African Americans who DO make it to Harvard or other so called elite institution will face "less discrimination" for their intellectual abilities.

Too bad for the minorities that don't make the cut. Hopefully, now they know it's not as easy and they have to go work much harder to get a seat in a top university just like Asians. I wish there are more programs funded at the grass root level to educate and provide better opportunities for minorities at grade school level so they can compete fairly, without taking race into account with other hardworking Asians and whites

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Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

If they were really high stats they won't need to write that essay.

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Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

If they were really high stats they won't need to write that essay.

Their high stats are really low stats with other races. So they still need to signal their “virtue” in the essays

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

If they were really high stats they won't need to write that essay.

That's where you're ignorant of the admissions process at highly selective schools. It's zero-sum buddy.

The college's diversity mission doesn't change, just the legal methods to achieve its mission. They STILL want URMs.

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Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

If they were really high stats they won't need to write that essay.

Their high stats are really low stats with other races. So they still need to signal their “virtue” in the essays

If they scored top-x% (sorry I don't know what it is, 2% maybe?) in their URM group on the PSAT, they would have an award to show that, and would not need to signal virtue in the essays.

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

Asian poster who posted just before you. Oh no. I have no such hopes. Institutions will always find a way of discriminating against us. Before Asian students, it was Jewish students. Maybe the "personality test" has gone the way of the dodo, but criteria will always be rewritten so that universities can cherry-pick exactly who they want. And that will not include too many Asians for the foreseeable future. As you've seen, test-optional admission is here to stay, which says a lot already.

It's just that now, discrimination of Asians is not codified into law. A small step.

Agreed. I think one group has been bamboozled into an alliance where the consistent team, that historically reneges on arrangements, will do it again. You were warned that you were a means to an end. And the end isn't blind/merit based admissions some think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, a group of elitist wealthy whites support such policies as long as their positions are not threatened and their kids are able to gain admission to Ivies and the like. They can and will make adjustments until found liable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

Justice Thomas would likely respond that they are in fact bigoted, but they just don’t want to realize it, given the persistence of their belief that African Americans need special advantages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

The very fact that you felt the need to insert those words before URM tells everyone here, what they need to know. The whole test optional nonsense, is solely because URM's date fare very poorly in these tests, even if they are rich ( Black families with income in the $200k range do no better than a poor white family making $40k. Do much for these tests being a market of wealth) Of course your child would write that essay. If my kid was an URM, he/she would be screaming systemic racism from the roof top too knowing well that it is complete nonsense. Anything to get admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Because in some cases, some would rather be discriminated versus being persecuted in their home counties. Plus, the US benefits from having more skilled immigrants. Still doesn’t make racism acceptable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, a group of elitist wealthy whites support such policies as long as their positions are not threatened and their kids are able to gain admission to Ivies and the like. They can and will make adjustments until found liable.

That is NOT the case at all, and you have no evidence it is. You just made up a bunch stuff to make some kind of ridiculous hyperbolic point. You should stop that if you want to be taken seriously.

College admissions officers have only good intent and their missions only have good intent. This doesn't mean they are right, it just means your tinfoil hat foolishness is unburdened by evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, a group of elitist wealthy whites support such policies as long as their positions are not threatened and their kids are able to gain admission to Ivies and the like. They can and will make adjustments until found liable.

That is NOT the case at all, and you have no evidence it is. You just made up a bunch stuff to make some kind of ridiculous hyperbolic point. You should stop that if you want to be taken seriously.

College admissions officers have only good intent and their missions only have good intent. This doesn't mean they are right, it just means your tinfoil hat foolishness is unburdened by evidence.

Racial discrimination can never be good intent

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, a group of elitist wealthy whites support such policies as long as their positions are not threatened and their kids are able to gain admission to Ivies and the like. They can and will make adjustments until found liable.

That is NOT the case at all, and you have no evidence it is. You just made up a bunch stuff to make some kind of ridiculous hyperbolic point. You should stop that if you want to be taken seriously.

College admissions officers have only good intent and their missions only have good intent. This doesn't mean they are right, it just means your tinfoil hat foolishness is unburdened by evidence.

Racial discrimination can never be good intent

I agree. But they don't do that. In fact the mission is to ensure there is no discrimination or fruit of discrimination in admissions.

You can disagree that it is possible to achieve, or that it is unfair or impossible or ineffective, but you can't deny that the intent is admirable.

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Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

(OP here)

Excellent points. And, yes, I am going to read the book that you suggested within the next week.

Thank you for posting your thoughts & for the book suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

These elite institutions are international in scope and transcend borders. There are more Asians in the world than any other race. They should be there in high numbers.