US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:America, F* yeah! Finally asians receive equal treatment under the law, not just "URM"

That's funny that you think that Asians are not going to be discriminated against now. Discrimination against minorities is legal again in 'merica.

It’s illegal now as the discriminative affirmative action is taken down.

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Anonymous wrote:In line with this bad decision on affirmative action, in another decision (6-3), the Supreme Court is now attacking gay rights:

This current court’s make up is very interesting and scary quite frankly:

Here’s the news on the decision, regarding the legal decision protecting bigotry:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jun/30/us-supreme-court-ruling-lgbtq-rights-colorado

yes, the current SC is quite scary

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

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Note that just because you’re dumb and unable to excel at math and science, doesn’t make you cultured.

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Anonymous wrote:So if poverty can be used as a factor in admissions, who are the winners and losers?

Well the winners will be the poor kids, who likely have not had any privileges or good education along the way, who thought they might be destined to repeat the same life as their parents/family, well now they win and can get a great education and break the cycle. This means their kids and future generations will hopefully live outside the cycle of poverty. This means other families/kids in their neighborhood will see this and believe they too can get an education and break the poverty cycle.
I consider this a win on many levels. If a kid like that takes a seat from my white/asian kids who have grown up with a lot of privilege, I will not be unhappy. It means one less kid/family in the future that my tax dollars have to support thru social services, it means a kid who can recognize their true potential and change the "world in which they live".

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

Folks immigrate to the USA in order to be treated equally and for economic opportunity and for other freedoms guaranteed under the US Constitution. We are a nation of laws--and the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

The Supreme Court disagreed with your very biased and racist view

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

The Indian PP above should consider Mother Theresa who had done nothing for the poor in Calcutta. She collected the poor, the sick, and the dying. She was collecting approximately $300M per year in donations worldwide. Mother Theresa siphoned most of that money to the Vatican who in turn used the money to pay off the sexual molest settlements.

There's often an angle to people who claim they care for the poor and dispossessed. In reality, the Dems are using them to buy votes.

Oh, if you are correct then it proves my thinking that Christians and white people are nasty. GOP is the party of white uneducated people so it is particularly shady.

Don't get me wrong. Black people are freeloaders too. Now the gravy train has stopped or slowed down for them and they are protesting.

I will be looking out for myelf. Thank you very much!

We want you to be successful. We want you to lord over the rest of us here in the USA. This is the only thing that will help the lazy people to get off their butts and change gear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote that the decision does not bar “universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.”

That's a truck sized loop hole that every elite college will drive through easily.

Every elite college will now have a "trauma porn" type essay and will give huge weight to the essay in their so called holistic process. And guess what, somehow magically, the essays from URM candidates who proudly display their "race" and trauma will get "outstanding" for their essay and will slide into the accept pile. Of course no white or Asian kids essay will get that score, no matter how much trauma porn they display

Then somebody will sue one of these colleges after a few years and we will get all the dirty tricks they use by replacing the personality ratings with and essay rating to socially engineer the class.

The more things change, the more they stay the same

Yes, and my high stats URM will be writing that essay.

Thanks Justice Roberts!

Most have been stating that there will still be ways around this ruling, and this is the path. If you want the AO to know about your URM/race, there are creative ways to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

Folks immigrate to the USA in order to be treated equally and for economic opportunity and for other freedoms guaranteed under the US Constitution. We are a nation of laws--and the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

That sounds great on paper, but isn’t executed so smoothly. The reality is that it’s an illusion, it’s an unattainable ideal.

[Anonymous]

So many points people are ignoring:

The people who run colleges are overwhelmingly NOT racist and not prejudiced against any one race.

Those people believe with good intent they need a racial balance to achieve their mission. It's a complex issue. You can speak to them about why, or read a book, like "The Shape Of The River", which I bet none of you people celebrating today have done.

These are smart people, and they will adjust their policy to achieve their mission without violating the SC decision. This is likely to negatively effect Asians - who are now the most over-represented race at elite colleges (the only ones anyone here cares about).

Be careful what you wish for.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

They move because even with the discrimination that exists in the USA, it is often still a much better land of opportunity than where they came from.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

They move because even with the discrimination that exists in the USA, it is often still a much better land of opportunity than where they came from.

Opportunity may be here but what a hostile, uncomfortable nation we have become.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

Just wow!

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

Dear Lord! Are the current Indian immigrants and their offspring descendants of enslaved people? From my experience, the “successful” Indian families I know come from a position of relative privilege- wealthy enough to pay for a US education or come with a work visa because they have a sought after degree. Did they grow up with the same hurdles most Black and Hispanic face? Probably not.

The offsprings of Nigerian doctors that Harvard admitted were NOT descendants of enslaved people. And they grew up in a much wealthier environment than a lot of the Indian immigrants.
Just admit you're buying votes with affirmative action, not really trying to help the poor blacks. It's not that hard to see.

Affirmative Action is not and never has been about poverty or class. It was a remedy for the fact that in this country black people, all black people no matter where they were born or when they arrived or how much money they have, are discriminated against because of the color of their skin, limiting opportunity, freedom, access to colleges and board rooms, and creating a deficit of role models for black youth in industry and professions.

Affirmative Action is a remedy for discrimination, not poverty.

Wow. What an ignorant, insular and close-minded point of view.

Do you realize there are groups of people all over the world who have been discriminated against and treated just as poorly as (or even worse) than the way black people have been treated in the US?

But we are talking about the US here. Blacks were brought here unwillingly and have been here since the inception. The US doesn’t owe every victim from every country a break. Why should we? The US has its fair share of issues, why do we feel the need to save everyone?

If that’s the bar, the you need to exclude recent black immigrants.

Agreed

Hard to prove on dcum but I am a West African immigrant and yes! If I'm excluded it makes logical sense to me . This isn't the slam dunk you two weirdos think it is. People are like ne and you Asians have nothing to do with the US rising to be the nation it is today. That shouldn't be hard to comprehend, truly.

Yes, if you choose to come here for whatever reason, you have little room to complain about being discriminated against. Why come here at all? Not to sound snarky but why do this? Why do we owe you anything more than your country of origin?

Is this the white liberal mindset?

If I willingly move to a country where I am a minority, why should I be shocked that I am being treated unfairly? Not sure why immigrants choose to move here knowing that such discrimination exists. It’s a longstanding issue. Unfixable. Even if I was a first generation and felt so oppressed, I would question why am I here? Why did my parent move here? Maybe my parents were disillusioned.

Just wow!

Do you believe discrimination will ever be eliminated completely? It exists everywhere.