Taylor Swift is awful (and her music isn't even very good)

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t enjoy TS’s music and neither does my teen (apart from one song) - but I think she is a positive example for young women in many ways. The music industry was exploiting her and spitting her out and she fought back. Her shows bring in many millions of dollars to different towns and TS employs many people.
I don’t buy her music and would never spend that much money on a show even if I did like her style of music/ voice and she one/ lyrics - but I commend her for standing up to the patriarchy in her own way. Obviously most of us women have to fight back in different ways, big and small, but she has done way more than her fair share to empower herself and other women.

She actually removed her music from Spotify until they paid their artists more money and Spotify caved and Taylor helped lots of people get paid more. She’s as great a celebrity as we can expect a celebrity to be

See we have different opinions about helping girls. I think doing everything your parents say isn’t that healthy. I see a weird dynamic between Taylor and her parents. I also see someone who blames her exes and others in her music and isn’t able to gain real perspective about herself.

Because of this lack of perspective, introspection and independence in her music, I see her as a hindrance to young women as she is myopically focused on herself and her feelings.

I also question how much she and not her business minded razor sharp dad masterminds her deals. I think considering her dad tells her boyfriend where to stand and wait for her, always yours with her and wrote that email about being “a DAD” this is fairly reasonable to question.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

DP. I don't know where Taylor had dinner last night or any night because I'm not looking for that information. My daughter could probably tell you. If this is a problem for you, maybe you need to get your news and information from other sources that isn't celebrity focused.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

Other celebs do get papped in NYC. I don’t understand how you’re seeing so many pics of Taylor unless you buy tabloids or follow Swifties on social media.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t enjoy TS’s music and neither does my teen (apart from one song) - but I think she is a positive example for young women in many ways. The music industry was exploiting her and spitting her out and she fought back. Her shows bring in many millions of dollars to different towns and TS employs many people.
I don’t buy her music and would never spend that much money on a show even if I did like her style of music/ voice and she one/ lyrics - but I commend her for standing up to the patriarchy in her own way. Obviously most of us women have to fight back in different ways, big and small, but she has done way more than her fair share to empower herself and other women.

She actually removed her music from Spotify until they paid their artists more money and Spotify caved and Taylor helped lots of people get paid more. She’s as great a celebrity as we can expect a celebrity to be

See we have different opinions about helping girls. I think doing everything your parents say isn’t that healthy. I see a weird dynamic between Taylor and her parents. I also see someone who blames her exes and others in her music and isn’t able to gain real perspective about herself.

Because of this lack of perspective, introspection and independence in her music, I see her as a hindrance to young women as she is myopically focused on herself and her feelings.

I also question how much she and not her business minded razor sharp dad masterminds her deals. I think considering her dad tells her boyfriend where to stand and wait for her, always yours with her and wrote that email about being “a DAD” this is fairly reasonable to question.

All I see is a woman who loves her parents and parents who support their daughter. It’s perfectly normal to ask parents for advice. There is no evidence Taylor always listens to her parents or that her parents have an outsized role in her life.

On the South America leg of the tour, Taylor was hugging her dad first after each show. Her dad let Travis have his place once. You somehow twisted that thoughtful gesture into her dad orchestrating her life.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

Other celebs do get papped in NYC. I don’t understand how you’re seeing so many pics of Taylor unless you buy tabloids or follow Swifties on social media.

I’ve personally seen the Clintons, the Obamas, Salmon Rushdie, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan (at their heights), Liz Hurley and yes, Madonna, eating dinner out in NYC without so much as a whiff of the paparazzi anywhere nearby. Because their people didn’t call the paparazzi in. DUH!!!!

I don’t buy tabloids, but I would love to look at the NY Post online without having to steer clear from yet another article about Taylor’s upcoming holiday plans and details about her night out. It’s annoying and unnecessary and points to type of person she is.

And no.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

Other celebs do get papped in NYC. I don’t understand how you’re seeing so many pics of Taylor unless you buy tabloids or follow Swifties on social media.

I’ve personally seen the Clintons, the Obamas, Salmon Rushdie, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan (at their heights), Liz Hurley and yes, Madonna, eating dinner out in NYC without so much as a whiff of the paparazzi anywhere nearby. Because their people didn’t call the paparazzi in. DUH!!!!

I don’t buy tabloids, but I would love to look at the NY Post online without having to steer clear from yet another article about Taylor’s upcoming holiday plans and details about her night out. It’s annoying and unnecessary and points to type of person she is.

And no.

All of those people were at the height of their fame pre-social media. Everyone has a camera now. Most of the photos of Taylor are from social media, posted by her own friends or the general public.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

I seriously can't imagine expending this much mental energy over some singer you don't like. She is living beyond rent-free in your head. Let it go for crying out loud. There are so many artists I don't care for, and you know what I do? Ignore them. You should try it. And yes, it's possible, even with Taylor Swift. Just stop engaging with her press and you'll get less of it. I see stories of her and I scroll right on by. It's possible. I promise.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

I seriously can't imagine expending this much mental energy over some singer you don't like. She is living beyond rent-free in your head. Let it go for crying out loud. There are so many artists I don't care for, and you know what I do? Ignore them. You should try it. And yes, it's possible, even with Taylor Swift. Just stop engaging with her press and you'll get less of it. I see stories of her and I scroll right on by. It's possible. I promise.

You have to be kidding me. I do not read the stories. Believe me, I do scroll past. But she is everywhere, like the prophetic Weird Al parody about her.

I turn on the evening news and there she is. It ridiculous! She’s not worthy of being on the freaking evening news. She’s not a world leader. Other celebrities aren’t on the evening news. Dolly Parton isn’t on my evening news, why oh why is Taylor?

There are many artists I don’t care for either, but they are very easy to ignore and turn off. To turn Taylor off, you have to stop watching tv and go completely offline. She’s like an invasive species.

That is why the OP started this thread. It’s a place for people who don’t like her to vent about how awful and omnipresent she is.

Why do we live rent free in your mind? Can’t YOU just scroll past and ignore this one teeny tiny thread?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t enjoy TS’s music and neither does my teen (apart from one song) - but I think she is a positive example for young women in many ways. The music industry was exploiting her and spitting her out and she fought back. Her shows bring in many millions of dollars to different towns and TS employs many people.
I don’t buy her music and would never spend that much money on a show even if I did like her style of music/ voice and she one/ lyrics - but I commend her for standing up to the patriarchy in her own way. Obviously most of us women have to fight back in different ways, big and small, but she has done way more than her fair share to empower herself and other women.

She actually removed her music from Spotify until they paid their artists more money and Spotify caved and Taylor helped lots of people get paid more. She’s as great a celebrity as we can expect a celebrity to be

See we have different opinions about helping girls. I think doing everything your parents say isn’t that healthy. I see a weird dynamic between Taylor and her parents. I also see someone who blames her exes and others in her music and isn’t able to gain real perspective about herself.

Because of this lack of perspective, introspection and independence in her music, I see her as a hindrance to young women as she is myopically focused on herself and her feelings.

I also question how much she and not her business minded razor sharp dad masterminds her deals. I think considering her dad tells her boyfriend where to stand and wait for her, always yours with her and wrote that email about being “a DAD” this is fairly reasonable to question.

All I see is a woman who loves her parents and parents who support their daughter. It’s perfectly normal to ask parents for advice. There is no evidence Taylor always listens to her parents or that her parents have an outsized role in her life.

On the South America leg of the tour, Taylor was hugging her dad first after each show. Her dad let Travis have his place once. You somehow twisted that thoughtful gesture into her dad orchestrating her life.

Her dad is around all the time. Goes to football games with her, dinner with her on the South American leg, etc. Also did you read that email in the lawsuit? It is bonkers.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t enjoy TS’s music and neither does my teen (apart from one song) - but I think she is a positive example for young women in many ways. The music industry was exploiting her and spitting her out and she fought back. Her shows bring in many millions of dollars to different towns and TS employs many people.
I don’t buy her music and would never spend that much money on a show even if I did like her style of music/ voice and she one/ lyrics - but I commend her for standing up to the patriarchy in her own way. Obviously most of us women have to fight back in different ways, big and small, but she has done way more than her fair share to empower herself and other women.

She actually removed her music from Spotify until they paid their artists more money and Spotify caved and Taylor helped lots of people get paid more. She’s as great a celebrity as we can expect a celebrity to be

I am app to whom you replied and agree she does lamlot of good for empowering both women and artists - I don’t enjoy her music much but really appreciate her gutsy fearlessness and standing up for herself and other artists.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t enjoy TS’s music and neither does my teen (apart from one song) - but I think she is a positive example for young women in many ways. The music industry was exploiting her and spitting her out and she fought back. Her shows bring in many millions of dollars to different towns and TS employs many people.
I don’t buy her music and would never spend that much money on a show even if I did like her style of music/ voice and she one/ lyrics - but I commend her for standing up to the patriarchy in her own way. Obviously most of us women have to fight back in different ways, big and small, but she has done way more than her fair share to empower herself and other women.

She actually removed her music from Spotify until they paid their artists more money and Spotify caved and Taylor helped lots of people get paid more. She’s as great a celebrity as we can expect a celebrity to be

See we have different opinions about helping girls. I think doing everything your parents say isn’t that healthy. I see a weird dynamic between Taylor and her parents. I also see someone who blames her exes and others in her music and isn’t able to gain real perspective about herself.

Because of this lack of perspective, introspection and independence in her music, I see her as a hindrance to young women as she is myopically focused on herself and her feelings.

I also question how much she and not her business minded razor sharp dad masterminds her deals. I think considering her dad tells her boyfriend where to stand and wait for her, always yours with her and wrote that email about being “a DAD” this is fairly reasonable to question.

All I see is a woman who loves her parents and parents who support their daughter. It’s perfectly normal to ask parents for advice. There is no evidence Taylor always listens to her parents or that her parents have an outsized role in her life.

On the South America leg of the tour, Taylor was hugging her dad first after each show. Her dad let Travis have his place once. You somehow twisted that thoughtful gesture into her dad orchestrating her life.

Her dad is around all the time. Goes to football games with her, dinner with her on the South American leg, etc. Also did you read that email in the lawsuit? It is bonkers.

The email from almost 20 years ago? I didn’t read it. Don’t care. Attending football games and dining out with a parent are completely normal activities.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

This. She 100% drives the attention including ESPECIALLY the attention on her personal life-- romances, friendships, etc

People will point to her private behavior with Joe Alwyn but (1) he is very private, lives in the UK, and didn't want the attention, and (2) their relationship spanned Covid when there was a bit of a break from this activity.

But what we are seeing now is her return to form. Pre-Alwyn, she did this stuff constantly to sell her relationships and personal life to the press and fans. She knows it's part of her appeal and she happily participated in the circus.

Make of that what you will. Some people won't care and that's fine. And if you pay no attention to celeb news it will have no impact on you. But it's incredibly naive and blind not to understand that the attention on her is cultivated by Taylor and her team.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

I seriously can't imagine expending this much mental energy over some singer you don't like. She is living beyond rent-free in your head. Let it go for crying out loud. There are so many artists I don't care for, and you know what I do? Ignore them. You should try it. And yes, it's possible, even with Taylor Swift. Just stop engaging with her press and you'll get less of it. I see stories of her and I scroll right on by. It's possible. I promise.

You have to be kidding me. I do not read the stories. Believe me, I do scroll past. But she is everywhere, like the prophetic Weird Al parody about her.

I turn on the evening news and there she is. It ridiculous! She’s not worthy of being on the freaking evening news. She’s not a world leader. Other celebrities aren’t on the evening news. Dolly Parton isn’t on my evening news, why oh why is Taylor?

There are many artists I don’t care for either, but they are very easy to ignore and turn off. To turn Taylor off, you have to stop watching tv and go completely offline. She’s like an invasive species.

That is why the OP started this thread. It’s a place for people who don’t like her to vent about how awful and omnipresent she is.

Why do we live rent free in your mind? Can’t YOU just scroll past and ignore this one teeny tiny thread?

I’m a fan, would even consider myself a swiftie, and only see Taylor news if I’m actively looking for it. Maybe the times person of the year and concert success makes national news. That’s like 2-3 news stories this year. What are you watching that you see daily stories about her?

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

This. She 100% drives the attention including ESPECIALLY the attention on her personal life-- romances, friendships, etc

People will point to her private behavior with Joe Alwyn but (1) he is very private, lives in the UK, and didn't want the attention, and (2) their relationship spanned Covid when there was a bit of a break from this activity.

But what we are seeing now is her return to form. Pre-Alwyn, she did this stuff constantly to sell her relationships and personal life to the press and fans. She knows it's part of her appeal and she happily participated in the circus.

Make of that what you will. Some people won't care and that's fine. And if you pay no attention to celeb news it will have no impact on you. But it's incredibly naive and blind not to understand that the attention on her is cultivated by Taylor and her team.

Seems like an easy formula to follow for wannabe starlets. Why isn’t everyone doing it with the same success?

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Anonymous wrote:You know what I hate about Taylor? How ubiquitous she is. She was on the cover of my grandmother’s Russian language senior citizen newspaper. Why or why? Nobody who reads that has ever heard of Taylor and they are not interested in her music. The only reason I saw it was because I was visiting my grandma in a nursing home. My grandma isn’t going to run out and buy her merchandise or go to a concert. Taylor and her PR team are just too much.

Hold on.
Let me get this straight.
YOU think, that Taylor Swift’s PR team planted:pushed a story to a Russian language granny magazine. YOU think that’s why that story was there, because Taylor Swift’s people put it there?
😂

DP. No you missed the point. The PP said what they hate about Taylor is "how ubiquitous she is." It doesn't matter why Taylor is on the cover of that magazine. Probably the magazine thought it would help them sell issues, though also I'm certain Taylor's PR team seeks to get her face as many places as they can because it helps Taylor to sell tickets, and actually a big part of Taylor's marketing these days is aimed at Gen X and Boomers because they are the ones who are often buying the tickets/merchandise for their millennial and Gen Z kids, so if Taylor can also turn them into fans, it will result in more $$ for her.

But regardless of who specifically made the decision to put Taylor on that cover, the point is that OP finds the ubiquity of Taylor Swift annoying. This is a very common phenomenon and it doesn't have to be something Taylor or her team are doing on purpose for it to annoy people. It's called being "overexposed" and it's a known PR problem, and I definitely think Taylor is/has tipped into that category over the last few months due to the Travis Kelce thing. I think if she and her team are smart, they'll pull back a bit. She's touring internationally in 2024 but especially once the NFL season is over, it would probably be beneficial for her to be seen less in tabloids/celebrity news for a while. Maybe disappear for about a year and then pop back up in 2025 with a new album.

No I read it correctly. The pp thinks she’s overexposed AND thinks the shadowy cabal of Taylor Swift comms dept is pushing stories to “Babushka’s Monthly”
And that’s hysterical
Honestly this thread has uncovered a previously unfathomable Venn diagram of conspiratorial thinkers and anti Swifties.
And frankly I’m so glad I’m here for it!
It’s been a real treat!

Why do you think a Taylor Swift story was on the cover of a Russian language Senior Citizen magazine that’s only available by subscription? You can’t buy this one at the store or in the stands, so people cannot be charmed by her great beauty to buy it. Its circulation is very small and limited to mostly Jewish Russian speaking Senior Citizens living in America. (They children and grandchildren do not read these.) Most of the ads are for Russian speaking doctors, lawyers and home health attendant services. It barely makes any money. Why do you think the editor decided to put Taylor on the cover?

Well I think it obvious!
The editor secretly works for Taylor Swift!!
Oh wait wait wait!
No, but he was handed a fat unmarked envelope in the depths of a parking garage late at night. There, a mysterious tall blonde woman, sporting a bold red lip, told him exactly what to print last month in “Matronly Matryoshka Monthly”.

I admire the obtuseness of rabid Taylor fans. It’s not that the above editor works for Taylor. It’s that her team has decided to release articles about her for little to no money. If the editor of some small obscure newspaper publishes an article about her (to fill space in an ad based tiny circulation paper), he or she doesn’t have to pay the usual fees. You have to be very unaware of how the publishing industry works to not get what’s going on here.

Taylor is the definition of overexposed and it’s because her team wants it that way. The bottom line is that she never made the leap from female tweens and their moms to the general public. And her team is desperate to get her there before she hits 40 and loses the tween audience. And if that means releasing her articles for free, so be it.

It’s the wrong angle, in my opinion.

If you think she’s just for teenagers, then you’ve probably missed Taylor mania. I know lots of people in their 40s and 50s that love her.

I mentioned the moms, too. But men, even gay men are not interested.

Im a straight man and think she’s awesome.

That’s great, but you are in the minority for men.

Are you just making up numbers? I have many male friends and they all think she’s great.

No, I’m not just making it up. This is based on ticket and product sales. Men are not her audience. Black people aren’t either.

There is a very specific demographic who buys Taylor’s stuff and it’s soon to age out. (The largest contingent being 12-35 year old middle class white women.) In five or so years, ten year olds won’t be begging their parents to take them to a concert. Meanwhile, her team is trying to get men more interested (hence the mugging for the camera at NFL games) in the hope of increasing their audience before the middle age crunch happens. If she doesn’t expand into men, she’ll fade out when the tweens decide she’s too old, which is going to happen soon. It’s obvious to those of us who are ambivalent about her.

Nope, because why do the women taking their teens also love Taylor? They are middle age so when Taylor is older and these teens are now Mom’s, they will go see her. New kids on the block is still packing theaters for crying out loud

You are missing the point. Yes, the current teens/tween and SOME of their moms love Taylor, but the tweens of five years from now are not going to identify with the 40 year old mediocre singer complaining about her checkered love life. They are going to think she’s pathetic and old.

Sure, New Kids have their fans, but they are the same people who loved them 30 years ago. Tween girls aren’t lining up to go to their concerts. Their moms are dragging them to see the boy band that they loved.

Taylor’s fan base has reached its saturation point and she wants to expand it to the general public, but that isn’t happening despite best efforts because she’s just not compelling enough.

I agree Taylor’s fan base may have reached its saturation point but only because it’s massive and I’m not sure it can grow any more.

There are online groups of “Gen X Swifties” and such, so she’s compelling as you put it to an older fan base without teen daughters. They like her on their own.

I’m not sure why you think you’re such an expert on not just someone you don’t like but the future as well? Have you ever been wrong? Like, ever in your life?

The thing is she has reached her saturation point, but that’s not enough for her and her team. That is why she’s so annoying to some of us. She already has a huge fan base. Why can’t she be happy with that? Why is she forcing herself on the rest of us with her huge nonstop publicity push. It’s not going to add any fans. We would all like her better if she’d accept that this is it and cater to that crowd. Instead, she’s everywhere because she thinks we might have missed her. We haven’t. She and her team are like missionaries proselytizing to atheists about Jesus like they’ve never been exposed to Christianity before. Beyond annoying.

Way more people like her than don’t so I think you’re in the minority. Taylor can’t win. She’s just living her life going to support her boyfriend at games and you call it a publicity push. Everything she does will be considered that because she has cameras following her everywhere. You want her to just hide out and disappear but why? She goes out and it’s going to be a scene, that’s not her fault.
I just think she does amazing things with her platform as a celebrity and is apparently amazing to her fans.

The cameras follow Taylor EVERYWHERE because she tells them where she’ll be and invites them. Kinda like they followed the Kardashians. Why have they never, ever followed Meryl Streep around (even in the height of her popularity)? Because her people have never called the paparazzi to share where she’ll be eating or exercising or taking a random walk or anything.

I personally would love it if Taylor did in fact just live her life. But she doesn’t. She’s always mugging for the camera like a big old ham.

Are you this lost? She’s not an up and comer needing attention from cameras for publicity. They wait for her wherever she’s going because pics of her are worth a lot. She isn’t in the same category as kardashian

No, I’m not lost. I’m someone who used to work in entertainment and knows how these things are arranged. No one knows to show up at the random restaurant she is going to go to without her go ahead. She’s been doing this for over a decade. It’s her thing, just like it is for the Kardashians. Think of all of the very famous celebrities who go around NYC all of the time without notice. No one is following them around because they aren’t asking their publicists to arrange it.

Wake up!!!

This. She 100% drives the attention including ESPECIALLY the attention on her personal life-- romances, friendships, etc

People will point to her private behavior with Joe Alwyn but (1) he is very private, lives in the UK, and didn't want the attention, and (2) their relationship spanned Covid when there was a bit of a break from this activity.

But what we are seeing now is her return to form. Pre-Alwyn, she did this stuff constantly to sell her relationships and personal life to the press and fans. She knows it's part of her appeal and she happily participated in the circus.

Make of that what you will. Some people won't care and that's fine. And if you pay no attention to celeb news it will have no impact on you. But it's incredibly naive and blind not to understand that the attention on her is cultivated by Taylor and her team.

So your argument is that she shouldn’t date so that people like you don’t have to see articles about her personal life. Seems totally reasonable and not at all unhinged!