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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

I never said that or implied that (ever heard of a mid-sized university?). I did however look at top privates in NYC and it seems very few go to large publics in California (or elsewhere):

https://www.dalton.org/programs/high-school/college-counseling
https://www.horacemann.org/academic-life/college-counseling
https://www.brearley.org/about/college-matriculations-2018-2022
https://trinityschoolnyc.myschoolapp.com/ftpimages/390/download/download_4530575.pdf

And what exactly does this prove? You could say the same thing about virtually every school - public or private - outside of California because they limit enrollment to 10 percent out of state. Very odd post.

If you read more carefully, you'd notice that the vast majority from these schools do not go public, any public.

And? Why would they? Beyond UCLA and Berkeley there haven’t been any in the top 20. They’re not going to a low of lower ranked privates either. I am not sure what point you are trying to make by posting links to matriculation data for the most exclusive and expensive private schools in the entire country. I bet if you dug a little deeper and looked at other private schools you would see a lot more matriculations to state colleges. What you are doing here is meaningless and weird.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

I never said that or implied that (ever heard of a mid-sized university?). I did however look at top privates in NYC and it seems very few go to large publics in California (or elsewhere):

https://www.dalton.org/programs/high-school/college-counseling
https://www.horacemann.org/academic-life/college-counseling
https://www.brearley.org/about/college-matriculations-2018-2022
https://trinityschoolnyc.myschoolapp.com/ftpimages/390/download/download_4530575.pdf

And what exactly does this prove? You could say the same thing about virtually every school - public or private - outside of California because they limit enrollment to 10 percent out of state. Very odd post.

If you read more carefully, you'd notice that the vast majority from these schools do not go public, any public.

And? Why would they? Beyond UCLA and Berkeley there haven’t been any in the top 20. They’re not going to a low of lower ranked privates either. I am not sure what point you are trying to make by posting links to matriculation data for the most exclusive and expensive private schools in the entire country. I bet if you dug a little deeper and looked at other private schools you would see a lot more matriculations to state colleges. What you are doing here is meaningless and weird.

Your arbitrary definition of top 20 (based only on USNWR) is quite shallow.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

Its from 2018 for crying out loud, not 1998. How convenient of you to disregard any evidence that disagrees with your (clouded) world view.

Because I posted a link to actual data from the school itself showing that the average GPA of students majoring in hard sciences in more recent years is 3.5 plus. It’s not my “clouded world view.” It’s facts. The only question is whether you consider an average GPA of 3.5 plus to be “deflated.” I think lots of people wouldn’t.

The link I posted about grade supression was also directly from Berkeley.

Are you really this dense? I know it was - and it’s five years earlier than my data and is an opinion piece!

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Wow! Long thread. Don't have the patience to read through all the posts.. Can you jobless biatches summarize what you've been pointlessly fighting about?

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

Its from 2018 for crying out loud, not 1998. How convenient of you to disregard any evidence that disagrees with your (clouded) world view.

Because I posted a link to actual data from the school itself showing that the average GPA of students majoring in hard sciences in more recent years is 3.5 plus. It’s not my “clouded world view.” It’s facts. The only question is whether you consider an average GPA of 3.5 plus to be “deflated.” I think lots of people wouldn’t.

The link I posted about grade supression was also directly from Berkeley.

Are you really this dense? I know it was - and it’s five years earlier than my data and is an opinion piece!

And are you this blinded? Your link shows GPAs by majors at Berkeley and I can see why you use it as evidence as GPAs are rising over the years (which is true of essentially all colleges btw). However, this doesn't negate the fact about grade suppression based on the opinion piece which presents data. Of course, grade suppression is relative to other colleges. Take your blinders off.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and there is grade deflation there.

Ha ha all that means is that your kid performed below average. The numbers speak for themselves.

There were many other kids complaining of lack of grade inflation at Berkeley when my kid attended.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

I also know a few kids from elite privates (all ranked top 5 in the country) who went to large publics in Cali but the numbers are quite small. As one PP posted previously, not one student from Sidwell went to a Cali public from 2018 to 2022 (latest data). Nothing wrong with those big schools but, in general, that's not where the (mainly) rich parents from these schools want their kids to go. Not making a political statement here, just stating the facts.

Some probably applied but rejected at Berkeley and UCLA. Their OOS admission rate is around 5 percent. Not many get accepted to Berkeley and UCLA even from TJ.

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Having sent my kid to one of the top private schools, I have noticed that the school has relationships with some SLACs and can guide them into these SLACs. Guidance counselors don't really have control over what happens in public universities. Plus many of these schools don't have APs making the students not very competitive for top publics. For instance many of these privates also don't send many kids to MIT or CalTech because they focus more of humanities and are not science focused. My own kid who is a STEM major figured he would prefer a top public university for STEM . All his friends who were interested in STEM applied to top publics.

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I had two kids from one of the top private schools mentioned above. I agree not many applied to MIT or Caltech because there was slightly more of a humanities focus. But also very few applied to top publics although I'm not sure why that was.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

I also know a few kids from elite privates (all ranked top 5 in the country) who went to large publics in Cali but the numbers are quite small. As one PP posted previously, not one student from Sidwell went to a Cali public from 2018 to 2022 (latest data). Nothing wrong with those big schools but, in general, that's not where the (mainly) rich parents from these schools want their kids to go. Not making a political statement here, just stating the facts.

Some probably applied but rejected at Berkeley and UCLA. Their OOS admission rate is around 5 percent. Not many get accepted to Berkeley and UCLA even from TJ.

That may be true but I believe they also love oos students because they are full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Long thread. Don't have the patience to read through all the posts.. Can you jobless biatches summarize what you've been pointlessly fighting about?

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A man or two in that group, no doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Long thread. Don't have the patience to read through all the posts.. Can you jobless biatches summarize what you've been pointlessly fighting about?

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A man or two in that group, no doubt.

Not to mention 3rd graders

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Anonymous wrote:I had two kids from one of the top private schools mentioned above. I agree not many applied to MIT or Caltech because there was slightly more of a humanities focus. But also very few applied to top publics although I'm not sure why that was.

So what.

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Anonymous wrote:I had two kids from one of the top private schools mentioned above. I agree not many applied to MIT or Caltech because there was slightly more of a humanities focus. But also very few applied to top publics although I'm not sure why that was.

So what.

It was an observation to the issue of privates and publics, that's what

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Long thread. Don't have the patience to read through all the posts.. Can you jobless biatches summarize what you've been pointlessly fighting about?

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A man or two in that group, no doubt.

Not to mention 3rd graders

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And adults who behave like 3rd graders.