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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

I never said that or implied that (ever heard of a mid-sized university?). I did however look at top privates in NYC and it seems very few go to large publics in California (or elsewhere):

https://www.dalton.org/programs/high-school/college-counseling
https://www.horacemann.org/academic-life/college-counseling
https://www.brearley.org/about/college-matriculations-2018-2022
https://trinityschoolnyc.myschoolapp.com/ftpimages/390/download/download_4530575.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

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Anonymous wrote:What's interesting to me is that with all the worshipping of the public colleges (UC Berkley, UCLA), and bashing of some private colleges is that many of the top private high schools in DC haven't had any matriculations to the those public colleges in the past few years. May be different for public HSs.

https://www.sidwell.edu/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculation

https://www.stalbansschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculations

Did you open your links?
From Sidwell:
UC Berkeley
UCLA (bolded)
UCSB
UCSC

Not to mention other large publics including Colorado, Purdue, Pitt, UMD, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin etc.
Usually when people just make up things, they don't provide the link to refute them. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

I never said that or implied that (ever heard of a mid-sized university?). I did however look at top privates in NYC and it seems very few go to large publics in California (or elsewhere):

https://www.dalton.org/programs/high-school/college-counseling
https://www.horacemann.org/academic-life/college-counseling
https://www.brearley.org/about/college-matriculations-2018-2022
https://trinityschoolnyc.myschoolapp.com/ftpimages/390/download/download_4530575.pdf

And what exactly does this prove? You could say the same thing about virtually every school - public or private - outside of California because they limit enrollment to 10 percent out of state. Very odd post.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so angry with Chicago’s drop out of the top 10

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Why are you both so angry about this?

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

I also know a few kids from elite privates (all ranked top 5 in the country) who went to large publics in Cali but the numbers are quite small. As one PP posted previously, not one student from Sidwell went to a Cali public from 2018 to 2022 (latest data). Nothing wrong with those big schools but, in general, that's not where the (mainly) rich parents from these schools want their kids to go. Not making a political statement here, just stating the facts.

If you are correct, it just emphasizes that private school kids are coddled and lacking grit and resilience. I went to a SLAC myself and the small environment felt like an extension of high school in many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

Its from 2018 for crying out loud, not 1998. How convenient of you to disregard any evidence that disagrees with your (clouded) world view.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

I also know a few kids from elite privates (all ranked top 5 in the country) who went to large publics in Cali but the numbers are quite small. As one PP posted previously, not one student from Sidwell went to a Cali public from 2018 to 2022 (latest data). Nothing wrong with those big schools but, in general, that's not where the (mainly) rich parents from these schools want their kids to go. Not making a political statement here, just stating the facts.

If you are correct, it just emphasizes that private school kids are coddled and lacking grit and resilience. I went to a SLAC myself and the small environment felt like an extension of high school in many ways.

Well, that's your opinion but apparently students from those top privates don't go to large publics as posted above. You can disagree with their opinion and call them names but them's the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

I dunno. But I see a lot of large colleges on the top private schools’ matriculation lists so somebody is. And many of the larger privates have pretty big intro classes too. By your logic, everyone should be going to liberal arts colleges.

I never said that or implied that (ever heard of a mid-sized university?). I did however look at top privates in NYC and it seems very few go to large publics in California (or elsewhere):

https://www.dalton.org/programs/high-school/college-counseling
https://www.horacemann.org/academic-life/college-counseling
https://www.brearley.org/about/college-matriculations-2018-2022
https://trinityschoolnyc.myschoolapp.com/ftpimages/390/download/download_4530575.pdf

And what exactly does this prove? You could say the same thing about virtually every school - public or private - outside of California because they limit enrollment to 10 percent out of state. Very odd post.

If you read more carefully, you'd notice that the vast majority from these schools do not go public, any public.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

Its from 2018 for crying out loud, not 1998. How convenient of you to disregard any evidence that disagrees with your (clouded) world view.

Because I posted a link to actual data from the school itself showing that the average GPA of students majoring in hard sciences in more recent years is 3.5 plus. It’s not my “clouded world view.” It’s facts. The only question is whether you consider an average GPA of 3.5 plus to be “deflated.” I think lots of people wouldn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:What's interesting to me is that with all the worshipping of the public colleges (UC Berkley, UCLA), and bashing of some private colleges is that many of the top private high schools in DC haven't had any matriculations to the those public colleges in the past few years. May be different for public HSs.

https://www.sidwell.edu/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculation

https://www.stalbansschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculations

Did you open your links?
From Sidwell:
UC Berkeley
UCLA (bolded)
UCSB
UCSC

Not to mention other large publics including Colorado, Purdue, Pitt, UMD, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin etc.
Usually when people just make up things, they don't provide the link to refute them. Thanks!

From the link, Sidwell students seem to prefer the Ivies, SLACs, and top midsized privates

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

There are plenty of smaller classes at top publics once you get past the big intro ones. Try google as I did earlier with your bullshit “grade deflation” claim and see for yourself. And you can avoid many of the intro ones entirely with qualifying scores on AP tests, which many students do.

I did and it talks about Berkeley's grade Suppression.

https://dailycal.org/2018/04/26/everything-uc-berkeley-student-know-grade-suppression

So, it seems like you are the bullshitter

That’s a six year old article. I posted a link to 2023 grades.

Its from 2018 for crying out loud, not 1998. How convenient of you to disregard any evidence that disagrees with your (clouded) world view.

Because I posted a link to actual data from the school itself showing that the average GPA of students majoring in hard sciences in more recent years is 3.5 plus. It’s not my “clouded world view.” It’s facts. The only question is whether you consider an average GPA of 3.5 plus to be “deflated.” I think lots of people wouldn’t.

The link I posted about grade supression was also directly from Berkeley.