Question about the homophobia thread

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Anonymous wrote:Hi PP I am not going to quote your long post, but I am the poster who originally linked the JHU glossary. I just wanted to say I appreciate (and always appreciate) your thoughtful posts. I’m not saying I agree with everything you write. For instance, I still find the misogyny inherent in those definitions horrifying and even in a world where people pick new language to deal with transphobia, it really bothers me that a lot of that new language is grounded in pervasive, deep, and widespread misogyny. But your posts always make me think, even if I don’t always agree with you. I just wanted to let you know that they are read and I think about them, and I am glad to hear about how well your DS is doing.

For the record I am not in favor of either bathroom bans or banning all gender affirming care for minors, though I would favor lifting malpractice caps. I come to this debate as a woman with a history of assault and sexual harassment behind me, and my primary driver in this entire discussion is the safety of women and children. I am pro gun control and pro reproductive rights. You don’t have to convince me of the importance of those. But I am also deeply appalled by what I see as a resurgence of violent sexism that comes with the trans rights movement. I can’t see how the world is made better by forcing naked bodies with penises into a previously safe spa for women. I can’t see how the world is made better when women who experience sexual harassment by transwomen in their locker rooms are attacked physically when sharing their stories. I can’t see how the destruction of single-sex spaces for girls and women in a world where we know unisex spaces increase assaults is making the world better.

It is not surprising that rapid rise of the power of the trans rights movement came on the heels of the Me Too movement. Any time in history that women really gather together, however briefly, to share their stories and their truths about assault and sex-based violence, there is an immediate and vicious backlash. And so Me Too and the trans rights movement are connected, as if the punishment women need to endure for having the gall to openly talk about sexual harassment, assault, and rape is the destruction of their safe spaces.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, though I think in the end that women’s safe spaces will in fact be destroyed in the name of trans rights. If there is one thing I can say from history, it is that the safety of women is rarely a winning issue, and that women who advocate for that safety pay enormous prices. That’s what I see going on now, and I think in the end, the trans rights movement will prevail.

This is just ridiculous I don’t know where to start. You think more people are coming out as transgender as a … retaliation? So irrational and disconnected from reality.

I guess I have to spell it out more clearly for you.

In order for trans rights to succeed broadly, as a society we have to agree to give up single sex-based spaces. That is the cost of trans rights: we remove sex-based spaces and replace them with unisex spaces, gender-based spaces being in practice largely the same thing as unisex spaces. Sex-based spaces such as single-sex domestic violence shelters, prisons, locker rooms, hostels, dementia care units, etc. must, if trans rights is going to succeed long-term, be turned into gender-based spaces. There is no other way to square the idea that (using trans women as an example) men can identify as women: as women, they must be entitled to access to women’s spaces, or the foundation of the entire ideological framework crumbles.

Prior to Me Too, I don’t think that quid pro quo would have succeeded. Of course, prior to Me Too, plenty of transwomen politely used women’s bathrooms and plenty of women politely pretended not to notice, but it was a small group of people and didn’t extend to places like prisons. I don’t think as a society people were willing to destroy sex-based spaces across the board, but there was plenty of mostly ad hoc co-existence.

But then Me Too happened and for a brief moment, women told their truths and people even claimed to believe them. That, however, also opened a conversation about women’s spaces because some women talked about how single-sex spaces were often a reprieve from the assaults and harassment they faced in mixed-sex spaces. And a lot of men were pretty angry about both the fact women were speaking out but also that these women’s spaces they’d previously kind of ignored were suddenly part of the national conversation. That’s what helped set the stage for making the destruction of single-sex spaces an acceptable cost to gain trans rights: Me Too made those spaces an acceptable target.

Not at all what happened.

Republicans were realizing they had no legit platform so they had to drum up good ‘ole LGBTQ+ fearmongering. Bathrooms! Sports! That’s why it’s such a hot “issue” today. Before that, transgender people were just trying to live their lives. Now they’ve become the target for politicians and hateful religious groups. And apparently hateful faux “feminists”.

People coming out as transgender has nothing to do with “me too”. So ridiculous.

The men (and women) who are pushing the RWNJ propaganda (bathrooms!) DGAF about women or transgender people. They just want votes and power and will do whatever they can to spin up controversy.

Right. Because trans activists had nothing to do with it.

The “activists” have no power. The actual people with power, who are actually sitting in legislatures all over the country (primarily white men), are trying to take away rights of both women *and* transgender people. Look at how many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills have been proposed over the last several years. It’s scary.

They’d love it if women try to tear down other women. It just makes their job easier.

Are you kidding? Than have TONS of power. People are silenced if they speak out in opposition.

“Silenced”? That’s not power.

How many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills were proposed in the last five years? How many actually passed? It’s scary.

That is power.

In some cases it’s just so explicit like in Nebraska where they combined an anti-trans bill with abortion restrictions .
https://19thnews.org/2023/05/nebraska-aclu-lawsuit-abortion-transgender-care/?amp

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Anonymous wrote:Hi PP I am not going to quote your long post, but I am the poster who originally linked the JHU glossary. I just wanted to say I appreciate (and always appreciate) your thoughtful posts. I’m not saying I agree with everything you write. For instance, I still find the misogyny inherent in those definitions horrifying and even in a world where people pick new language to deal with transphobia, it really bothers me that a lot of that new language is grounded in pervasive, deep, and widespread misogyny. But your posts always make me think, even if I don’t always agree with you. I just wanted to let you know that they are read and I think about them, and I am glad to hear about how well your DS is doing.

For the record I am not in favor of either bathroom bans or banning all gender affirming care for minors, though I would favor lifting malpractice caps. I come to this debate as a woman with a history of assault and sexual harassment behind me, and my primary driver in this entire discussion is the safety of women and children. I am pro gun control and pro reproductive rights. You don’t have to convince me of the importance of those. But I am also deeply appalled by what I see as a resurgence of violent sexism that comes with the trans rights movement. I can’t see how the world is made better by forcing naked bodies with penises into a previously safe spa for women. I can’t see how the world is made better when women who experience sexual harassment by transwomen in their locker rooms are attacked physically when sharing their stories. I can’t see how the destruction of single-sex spaces for girls and women in a world where we know unisex spaces increase assaults is making the world better.

It is not surprising that rapid rise of the power of the trans rights movement came on the heels of the Me Too movement. Any time in history that women really gather together, however briefly, to share their stories and their truths about assault and sex-based violence, there is an immediate and vicious backlash. And so Me Too and the trans rights movement are connected, as if the punishment women need to endure for having the gall to openly talk about sexual harassment, assault, and rape is the destruction of their safe spaces.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, though I think in the end that women’s safe spaces will in fact be destroyed in the name of trans rights. If there is one thing I can say from history, it is that the safety of women is rarely a winning issue, and that women who advocate for that safety pay enormous prices. That’s what I see going on now, and I think in the end, the trans rights movement will prevail.

This is just ridiculous I don’t know where to start. You think more people are coming out as transgender as a … retaliation? So irrational and disconnected from reality.

I guess I have to spell it out more clearly for you.

In order for trans rights to succeed broadly, as a society we have to agree to give up single sex-based spaces. That is the cost of trans rights: we remove sex-based spaces and replace them with unisex spaces, gender-based spaces being in practice largely the same thing as unisex spaces. Sex-based spaces such as single-sex domestic violence shelters, prisons, locker rooms, hostels, dementia care units, etc. must, if trans rights is going to succeed long-term, be turned into gender-based spaces. There is no other way to square the idea that (using trans women as an example) men can identify as women: as women, they must be entitled to access to women’s spaces, or the foundation of the entire ideological framework crumbles.

Prior to Me Too, I don’t think that quid pro quo would have succeeded. Of course, prior to Me Too, plenty of transwomen politely used women’s bathrooms and plenty of women politely pretended not to notice, but it was a small group of people and didn’t extend to places like prisons. I don’t think as a society people were willing to destroy sex-based spaces across the board, but there was plenty of mostly ad hoc co-existence.

But then Me Too happened and for a brief moment, women told their truths and people even claimed to believe them. That, however, also opened a conversation about women’s spaces because some women talked about how single-sex spaces were often a reprieve from the assaults and harassment they faced in mixed-sex spaces. And a lot of men were pretty angry about both the fact women were speaking out but also that these women’s spaces they’d previously kind of ignored were suddenly part of the national conversation. That’s what helped set the stage for making the destruction of single-sex spaces an acceptable cost to gain trans rights: Me Too made those spaces an acceptable target.

Not at all what happened.

Republicans were realizing they had no legit platform so they had to drum up good ‘ole LGBTQ+ fearmongering. Bathrooms! Sports! That’s why it’s such a hot “issue” today. Before that, transgender people were just trying to live their lives. Now they’ve become the target for politicians and hateful religious groups. And apparently hateful faux “feminists”.

People coming out as transgender has nothing to do with “me too”. So ridiculous.

The men (and women) who are pushing the RWNJ propaganda (bathrooms!) DGAF about women or transgender people. They just want votes and power and will do whatever they can to spin up controversy.

Right. Because trans activists had nothing to do with it.

The “activists” have no power. The actual people with power, who are actually sitting in legislatures all over the country (primarily white men), are trying to take away rights of both women *and* transgender people. Look at how many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills have been proposed over the last several years. It’s scary.

They’d love it if women try to tear down other women. It just makes their job easier.

Are you kidding? Than have TONS of power. People are silenced if they speak out in opposition.

“Silenced”? That’s not power.

How many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills were proposed in the last five years? How many actually passed? It’s scary.

That is power.

Silencing someone is not power?
Um…ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

Right. I want a RWNJ white conservative man (from the trash Daily Wire of all places) to define and help women.

Talk about misogyny.

The genius of the movie is that the filmmaker says very little. The interviewees’ theories on gender fold like a house of cards. They are unable to answer the most basic of questions (not just the one which is the title of the documentary).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi PP I am not going to quote your long post, but I am the poster who originally linked the JHU glossary. I just wanted to say I appreciate (and always appreciate) your thoughtful posts. I’m not saying I agree with everything you write. For instance, I still find the misogyny inherent in those definitions horrifying and even in a world where people pick new language to deal with transphobia, it really bothers me that a lot of that new language is grounded in pervasive, deep, and widespread misogyny. But your posts always make me think, even if I don’t always agree with you. I just wanted to let you know that they are read and I think about them, and I am glad to hear about how well your DS is doing.

For the record I am not in favor of either bathroom bans or banning all gender affirming care for minors, though I would favor lifting malpractice caps. I come to this debate as a woman with a history of assault and sexual harassment behind me, and my primary driver in this entire discussion is the safety of women and children. I am pro gun control and pro reproductive rights. You don’t have to convince me of the importance of those. But I am also deeply appalled by what I see as a resurgence of violent sexism that comes with the trans rights movement. I can’t see how the world is made better by forcing naked bodies with penises into a previously safe spa for women. I can’t see how the world is made better when women who experience sexual harassment by transwomen in their locker rooms are attacked physically when sharing their stories. I can’t see how the destruction of single-sex spaces for girls and women in a world where we know unisex spaces increase assaults is making the world better.

It is not surprising that rapid rise of the power of the trans rights movement came on the heels of the Me Too movement. Any time in history that women really gather together, however briefly, to share their stories and their truths about assault and sex-based violence, there is an immediate and vicious backlash. And so Me Too and the trans rights movement are connected, as if the punishment women need to endure for having the gall to openly talk about sexual harassment, assault, and rape is the destruction of their safe spaces.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, though I think in the end that women’s safe spaces will in fact be destroyed in the name of trans rights. If there is one thing I can say from history, it is that the safety of women is rarely a winning issue, and that women who advocate for that safety pay enormous prices. That’s what I see going on now, and I think in the end, the trans rights movement will prevail.

This is just ridiculous I don’t know where to start. You think more people are coming out as transgender as a … retaliation? So irrational and disconnected from reality.

I guess I have to spell it out more clearly for you.

In order for trans rights to succeed broadly, as a society we have to agree to give up single sex-based spaces. That is the cost of trans rights: we remove sex-based spaces and replace them with unisex spaces, gender-based spaces being in practice largely the same thing as unisex spaces. Sex-based spaces such as single-sex domestic violence shelters, prisons, locker rooms, hostels, dementia care units, etc. must, if trans rights is going to succeed long-term, be turned into gender-based spaces. There is no other way to square the idea that (using trans women as an example) men can identify as women: as women, they must be entitled to access to women’s spaces, or the foundation of the entire ideological framework crumbles.

Prior to Me Too, I don’t think that quid pro quo would have succeeded. Of course, prior to Me Too, plenty of transwomen politely used women’s bathrooms and plenty of women politely pretended not to notice, but it was a small group of people and didn’t extend to places like prisons. I don’t think as a society people were willing to destroy sex-based spaces across the board, but there was plenty of mostly ad hoc co-existence.

But then Me Too happened and for a brief moment, women told their truths and people even claimed to believe them. That, however, also opened a conversation about women’s spaces because some women talked about how single-sex spaces were often a reprieve from the assaults and harassment they faced in mixed-sex spaces. And a lot of men were pretty angry about both the fact women were speaking out but also that these women’s spaces they’d previously kind of ignored were suddenly part of the national conversation. That’s what helped set the stage for making the destruction of single-sex spaces an acceptable cost to gain trans rights: Me Too made those spaces an acceptable target.

Not at all what happened.

Republicans were realizing they had no legit platform so they had to drum up good ‘ole LGBTQ+ fearmongering. Bathrooms! Sports! That’s why it’s such a hot “issue” today. Before that, transgender people were just trying to live their lives. Now they’ve become the target for politicians and hateful religious groups. And apparently hateful faux “feminists”.

People coming out as transgender has nothing to do with “me too”. So ridiculous.

The men (and women) who are pushing the RWNJ propaganda (bathrooms!) DGAF about women or transgender people. They just want votes and power and will do whatever they can to spin up controversy.

Right. Because trans activists had nothing to do with it.

The “activists” have no power. The actual people with power, who are actually sitting in legislatures all over the country (primarily white men), are trying to take away rights of both women *and* transgender people. Look at how many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills have been proposed over the last several years. It’s scary.

They’d love it if women try to tear down other women. It just makes their job easier.

Are you kidding? Than have TONS of power. People are silenced if they speak out in opposition.

“Silenced”? That’s not power.

How many anti-women and anti-LGBTQ bills were proposed in the last five years? How many actually passed? It’s scary.

That is power.

Silencing someone is not power?
Um…ok

It is what you do when you don’t have power.

Power is taking away people’s rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

Right. I want a RWNJ white conservative man (from the trash Daily Wire of all places) to define and help women.

Talk about misogyny.

The genius of the movie is that the filmmaker says very little. The interviewees’ theories on gender fold like a house of cards. They are unable to answer the most basic of questions (not just the one which is the title of the documentary).

The genius is that women eat it up and turn on each other.

Makes the conservative men’s jobs a lot easier.

Go worry about bathrooms, ladies, while we take away your bodily autonomy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

Right. I want a RWNJ white conservative man (from the trash Daily Wire of all places) to define and help women.

Talk about misogyny.

The genius of the movie is that the filmmaker says very little. The interviewees’ theories on gender fold like a house of cards. They are unable to answer the most basic of questions (not just the one which is the title of the documentary).

The genius is that women eat it up and turn on each other.

Makes the conservative men’s jobs a lot easier.

Go worry about bathrooms, ladies, while we take away your bodily autonomy.

You are such an appalling sexist. It’s really quite something to watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi PP I am not going to quote your long post, but I am the poster who originally linked the JHU glossary. I just wanted to say I appreciate (and always appreciate) your thoughtful posts. I’m not saying I agree with everything you write. For instance, I still find the misogyny inherent in those definitions horrifying and even in a world where people pick new language to deal with transphobia, it really bothers me that a lot of that new language is grounded in pervasive, deep, and widespread misogyny. But your posts always make me think, even if I don’t always agree with you. I just wanted to let you know that they are read and I think about them, and I am glad to hear about how well your DS is doing.

For the record I am not in favor of either bathroom bans or banning all gender affirming care for minors, though I would favor lifting malpractice caps. I come to this debate as a woman with a history of assault and sexual harassment behind me, and my primary driver in this entire discussion is the safety of women and children. I am pro gun control and pro reproductive rights. You don’t have to convince me of the importance of those. But I am also deeply appalled by what I see as a resurgence of violent sexism that comes with the trans rights movement. I can’t see how the world is made better by forcing naked bodies with penises into a previously safe spa for women. I can’t see how the world is made better when women who experience sexual harassment by transwomen in their locker rooms are attacked physically when sharing their stories. I can’t see how the destruction of single-sex spaces for girls and women in a world where we know unisex spaces increase assaults is making the world better.

It is not surprising that rapid rise of the power of the trans rights movement came on the heels of the Me Too movement. Any time in history that women really gather together, however briefly, to share their stories and their truths about assault and sex-based violence, there is an immediate and vicious backlash. And so Me Too and the trans rights movement are connected, as if the punishment women need to endure for having the gall to openly talk about sexual harassment, assault, and rape is the destruction of their safe spaces.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, though I think in the end that women’s safe spaces will in fact be destroyed in the name of trans rights. If there is one thing I can say from history, it is that the safety of women is rarely a winning issue, and that women who advocate for that safety pay enormous prices. That’s what I see going on now, and I think in the end, the trans rights movement will prevail.

This is just ridiculous I don’t know where to start. You think more people are coming out as transgender as a … retaliation? So irrational and disconnected from reality.

I guess I have to spell it out more clearly for you.

In order for trans rights to succeed broadly, as a society we have to agree to give up single sex-based spaces. That is the cost of trans rights: we remove sex-based spaces and replace them with unisex spaces, gender-based spaces being in practice largely the same thing as unisex spaces. Sex-based spaces such as single-sex domestic violence shelters, prisons, locker rooms, hostels, dementia care units, etc. must, if trans rights is going to succeed long-term, be turned into gender-based spaces. There is no other way to square the idea that (using trans women as an example) men can identify as women: as women, they must be entitled to access to women’s spaces, or the foundation of the entire ideological framework crumbles.

Prior to Me Too, I don’t think that quid pro quo would have succeeded. Of course, prior to Me Too, plenty of transwomen politely used women’s bathrooms and plenty of women politely pretended not to notice, but it was a small group of people and didn’t extend to places like prisons. I don’t think as a society people were willing to destroy sex-based spaces across the board, but there was plenty of mostly ad hoc co-existence.

But then Me Too happened and for a brief moment, women told their truths and people even claimed to believe them. That, however, also opened a conversation about women’s spaces because some women talked about how single-sex spaces were often a reprieve from the assaults and harassment they faced in mixed-sex spaces. And a lot of men were pretty angry about both the fact women were speaking out but also that these women’s spaces they’d previously kind of ignored were suddenly part of the national conversation. That’s what helped set the stage for making the destruction of single-sex spaces an acceptable cost to gain trans rights: Me Too made those spaces an acceptable target.

Not at all what happened.

Republicans were realizing they had no legit platform so they had to drum up good ‘ole LGBTQ+ fearmongering. Bathrooms! Sports! That’s why it’s such a hot “issue” today. Before that, transgender people were just trying to live their lives. Now they’ve become the target for politicians and hateful religious groups. And apparently hateful faux “feminists”.

People coming out as transgender has nothing to do with “me too”. So ridiculous.

The men (and women) who are pushing the RWNJ propaganda (bathrooms!) DGAF about women or transgender people. They just want votes and power and will do whatever they can to spin up controversy.

You can believe that if you like. You seem to be incapable of nuance, so a simplistic viewpoint is probably best.

But you are not going to be able to gaslight other people into not seeing that the cost of the advancement of trans rights is the destruction of single-sex-based spaces.

[Anonymous]

"I think all the transes are mentally ill and shouldn't be allowed to transition."

"That's transphobic!"

"You're silencing me! I can't even say what I believe without being called a transphobe. You're so powerful!" (then continues to be "silenced" lol.)

Follow this up by calling everyone misogynistic and sexist despite this board being almost all women and nothing anyone is saying is misogynistic. You're literally trying to silence others while claiming you're silenced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"I think all the transes are mentally ill and shouldn't be allowed to transition."

"That's transphobic!"

"You're silencing me! I can't even say what I believe without being called a transphobe. You're so powerful!" (then continues to be "silenced" lol.)

Follow this up by calling everyone misogynistic and sexist despite this board being almost all women and nothing anyone is saying is misogynistic. You're literally trying to silence others while claiming you're silenced.

There is no point in trying to have a reasoned discussion with someone delusional enough to write the above. It’s almost fascinating in how remarkably untethered to this conversation the above fantasy post is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

Why not ask “What is a man?”

Because they aren't scared of trans men. They don't think that trans men are grooming children or that they're a danger to men and children. They do claim that trans women are grooming children and are a danger to women and children so they want trans women to use men's bathrooms.

Hm, I wonder why you think that “they” are scared of trans men but not trans women? What ever could the reason for that be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading these posts it is plain to me why people are so terrified of the documentary “What is a Woman?” It is must watch.

While I found the documentary to be entertaining, it was really asking the wrong question. The real question is what is a trans woman or trans man.

How can you get to what a trans woman is with first defining “woman?” Pretty sure he was asking the right question.

I’m on your side here. My point is that everyone knows what men and women are even though currently there are gender activists who are trying to change definitions that are based on science and have been used across cultures for millennia.

Yet no one, not even trans activists can agree on a definition of what being transgender or gender identity is.