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We just got back from Thanksgiving weekend at my parents, and I am exhausted and ashamed. We fought in front of my children multiple times a day - and this year, they are old enough to notice and get upset by it.
The problem is, my kids adore my parents and vice versa. And I just don't feel like anything my parents do is bad enough to warrant going no-contact or skipping the holidays entirely. My parents are really, really wonderful grandparents to my children. The reason our visits are so explosive are... (1) We are polar opposites. They are loud, chaotic, messy, always late. If they are hosting a meal at their house, they're making twice as much food as needed, looking up recipes at the last minute, jumping from one dish to the next, this one is burning, that one's missing ingredients. When we finally sit down over an hour late, it turns out everything's gone cold so they reheat it and burn it some more, then it doesn't fit on the table because they made to much, so serving becomes this awkward juggling act. Throughout the prepping and eating, everyone interrupts and talks over each other, give each other contradictory directions, etc. If we're going somewhere, they're inevitably late, running around, can't find keys, clothes, cell phones. They refuse to skip anything to get back on schedule (for example, my mom must do full makeup and jewelry even if we're 30 min late to dinner, rather than skipping a step to save time). Generally, their house is just overstuffed with things. There is never any space on kitchen counters to make a cup of tea, if you open the fridge, things are falling out, all surfaces (tables, dressers, desks) are just filled with stuff. Nothing can be thrown out. Cabinets, closets, etc all bursting. As someone who really values being on time, staying organized, not shouting, not letting stuff pile up, this is really stressful and unpleasant to me. I feel like a lot of my self-control is eroded by dealing with their way of life while we visit. (2) They come from a cultural background where parents are really intrusive and have no boundaries. For example, my mom will ask what's wrong with my teeth because they are looking worse, and expect me to discuss my dental treatments in detail. Or she'll ask me to take a couple of boxes of stuff back home in my car, and when I say we unfortunately don't have room, she demands that I explain exactly what items we are packing and how, and tell me how to rearrange the car and find space for her boxes. If my kids start crying she'll run over and grab them in her arms while I'm right there trying to deal with the issue. (3) We don't have a lot of common. They don't respect and aren't interested in my startup or volunteer work, which is how I spend all my time outside of parenting. They think that working makes me a worse parent. I am always kind of the black sheep compared to my siblings, who chose more traditional paths, with dads in corporate jobs focused on making money and moms staying at home, and zero interest in volunteering or making a difference in the world. They will all passionately talk about and praise my sister's/SIL's newest recipes or whatever, and not even ask me about myself. They play favorites without even noticing it -- they just click more naturally with my siblings and their spouses. I have tried talking to them about all this and they basically say, "We are how we are, we are not going to change". In their culture, parents are always right, and so their read on everything is that I'm a disrespectful daughter ruining the visits for everyone. Every time I see them, I give myself a pep talk that I can't change them, and I just need to stay calm. I try to give myself breaks - staying at a hotel, planning activities away from them during the weekend, etc. Things usually start ok - for the first day or so. But then, 75+% of what they do or say is triggering to me, and eventually I just crack. To a stranger, it might look like their comments are no big deal, but to me, they hit at the core of never fitting in or being respected, of having crippling low self-esteem because I was never good enough, always getting advice for how to do everything better. So I lose my cool and lash out, and they yell at me, and then we are fighting in front of the kids. Because we live far away, we can't just come over for a few hours - we need to stay for 3-4 days. I have tried leaving the room and taking a break when things get heated, but then 30 minutes later, it happens again, so eventually we end up fighting anyway. I have spent a small fortune on therapy, and got a detailed understanding of my childhood, how it affects me, why all of this is happening, why it's not necessarily their fault (both parents were raised in problematic families as well and just repeating what they know). But it doesn't actually fix things in the moment. Christmas is coming up and I really don't want this to happen yet again. Is there anything I can realistically do? |
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OP - didn't realize I wrote a whole novel. TLDR: Parents are loud, messy hoarders, have no boundaries, don't have much in common with me. In our culture, parents are always right so they aren't going to change. We fight every time we get together.
But, parents sincerely love me and my kids, my kids adore them, I don't want to cut them off. I'm doing my best to take breaks during visits and stay calm, but I eventually get triggered and lash out. Is there anything I can do? |
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You can stop trying to change or control them.
Just don't argue with them. Embrace the chaos. Food will be cold or burnt. You will be late. It doesn't matter. Repeat this in your mind. Wine may help. Make visits shorter. Fly in and out |
| They probably view you as super uptight (you're supposed to relax when you're visiting), very opiniated (you seem to roll your eyes a lot and find a problem with everything they do), have no appreciation (dinner must be served your way/can't deal with last minute change), you seem like you're ungrateful abd annoyed (non stop fighting with them, who wants that?). |
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If you are a guest in their home, you’re accepting who and how they are. If you can’t accept that, you need to either stay in a hotel, or host yourself so that you are on your own turf.
If you choose to visit their chaotic environment, just be prepared for KNOWN factors. Have a stash of your own food, have things to keep your kids entertained—so that when dinner is late or incomplete, you are at least fed and occupied. Mess, so what. It’s not your mess, it’s a few days. Go out as much as you can, even if you have to make up errands like needing a pharmacy item. Why make a cup of tea in their house when you can go buy a magazine, get a Starbucks and enjoy 20 minutes of peace in the parking lot? If they ask rude questions, say you’re not discussing that with them. If they make a rude comment, say “That’s not polite” and then move on. You don’t have to take it, but don’t try to change them or go deep about it. Just refuse to engage and keep it moving. |
| Honestly OP, you seem like you are making this a into problem and a bigger deal than it is. Relax a bit. Not everything needs to be on your perfectionist schedule all the time. Eat a protein bar if you know meals will be late. Tell them dinner reservations or events are 30 min earlier than they actually are. Meet people where they are. Your expectations are too high and just not realistic for who they are. |
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Hotel is a good first step. I'd say that although I normally don't believe in lying, I'd make a lot of reservations for 7pm and tell them they are for 6:30. And make a lot of reservations or suggest picnics or takeout (your treat!) to avoid cooking being a chaotic experience.
Can't help on the hoarding though I sympathize bc it would drive me nuts too. In terms of them not valuing your path career-wise, just meet them where they are - talk about a recipe you want to try, or a meal you recently ate that was awesome or whatever. You'll need to get praise for your volunteering and startup elsewhere. Maybe you need to schedule a decompression day after each visit with them? |
This. You are way too controlling. Work on your patience. |
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You do seem pretty uptight. It doesn’t matter if you are late to dinner or if their house is messy. Can you practice meditating or deep breathing techniques so you can remember that in the scheme of things; these really are small things?
I would suggest visiting less often. Must you doThanksgiving and Christmas? Can you start picking one or the other ? |
| Sounds like control and power struggle issues. You have to relinquish both when you visit and it drives you crazy to the point of you picking fights over petty things (messy counters, late meals, etc). |
The control is a symptom of Ops anxiety. Which if you aren't getting treatment for you should consider doing so. Short term look up techniques like mediation or deep breaths like pp suggested. |
You have something to work with-they sincerely love you and your kids! This is good news. Nobody is going to tell you to cut off when there is so much love. You just need boundaries which will not be accepted well, but keep showing the love. Can you afford to stay in a hotel? If so do that. If they protest say "mom, I love you so much and the kids adore you. We want to keep that love strong and to do that we need our own space too, We don't want to offend you, but this is what we need to keep enjoying you and stop fighting." Make visits shorter and sweeter. Have a plan for when she attacks. Most people are not changeable, but can you jokingly try a code word with mom to tell her when it's too much. Let her come up with it and when you use the code word we need to change subject. She can have one for you too to tell you to shush and change subject so it is mutual! |
100% this |
| You grew up with them so you know what they’re like. Lower expectations or go for a walk. Laugh with your kids and say your family is like the movie “A Big Fat Greek Wedding”. |
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OP it’s really on your end to manage your reactions. The things you’re complaining about sound like they’re only upsetting to you, and even if they could change them I doubt it would help.
Getting triggered, sad, etc is all normal. Lashing out and “fighting” or “losing it” are not, sorry. That’s on you to get that under control. Or send your kids and spouse and stay home. |