2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

And how much personal experience do you have with this, bullshitter?

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What's interesting to me is that with all the worshipping of the public colleges (UC Berkley, UCLA), and bashing of some private colleges is that many of the top private high schools in DC haven't had any matriculations to the those public colleges in the past few years. May be different for public HSs.

https://www.sidwell.edu/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculation

https://www.stalbansschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculations

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

And how much personal experience do you have with this, bullshitter?

How clueless are you?

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

What's even more funny is that you argue one point but ignore the other, more important, point.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Some interesting shifts for crosstown bragging rights: Northwestern over Chicago. Da ouch. BC over Tufts. Wicked ouch. Columbia now tied with Cornell in battle of NY. Go ouch yourself!

Is this first time for UVA to be looking up at UNC? Get off Mr. Jefferson’s ouching grounds!

LOL! So clever!

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Anonymous wrote:I am so angry with Chicago’s drop out of the top 10

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and there is grade deflation there.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is the best school of the Cal, UCLA, Vandy, WashU group.
The others I think are personal preference. I'd probably put Vandy 2nd, then UCLA, then WashU.

I would much rather go private than public unless perhaps in state.

Why? It isn't like Vandy and WashU are undergrad-first liberal arts colleges.

Berkeley is known for large classes, not just in intro classes but also in popular majors. It is also very competitive with grade deflation. Would pick any of the privates that you mentioned over Berkeley esp as oos resident.

I always laugh when posters just make shit up that is easily proven false by a quick Google search. The average GPA at Berkeley even for hard science majors is over a 3.5. That is hardly grade deflation.

https://pages.github.berkeley.edu/OPA/our-berkeley/gpa-by-major.html

My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and there is grade deflation there.

Ha ha all that means is that your kid performed below average. The numbers speak for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:What's interesting to me is that with all the worshipping of the public colleges (UC Berkley, UCLA), and bashing of some private colleges is that many of the top private high schools in DC haven't had any matriculations to the those public colleges in the past few years. May be different for public HSs.

https://www.sidwell.edu/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculation

https://www.stalbansschool.org/academics/college-counseling/college-matriculations

Look again. Berkeley is on the St Alban’s list.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

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Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.

It's easy enough to educate wealthy kids and to have them go on to high paying jobs and become movers and shakers.

Much harder to that for kids who don't come from wealthy families. That's why IMO, that ranking kind of makes sense. The vast majority of people in this country aren't from the 5%.

So the bottom 95% gets financial aid? Good to know, we're 92nd percentile.

no, that's not what I"m saying. The point is that a lot of the wealthy families (typical DCUM posters) don't care about how well a school can educate the non wealthy. But, the vast majority of this country are not typical wealthy DCUM posters, and a ranking that looks like how well it can educate and provide a spring board for such students on towards a good career and future is much more applicable to the rest of the 95%ers than a ranking that purely looks at what $80K/year buys.

Agreed. And c’mon, the rankings used to be biased in favor of factors that favor small rich private schools and now the factors are more balanced. Can anyone really quibble with a Berkeley or a UCLA being ahead of a Vanderbilt or a Wash U? Really?

You must have gone to school in the west coast cause you sound quite provincial

Not really. From a research funding and breadth of excellence in graduate programs and faculty standpoint there is no way Wash U or Vandy can compare to Cal and UCLA. So having this opinion is not "provincial".

Actually WashU had much more NIH funding than Berkeley or UCLA.

Well Cal doesn't have a medical school so that may be issue with just limiting to NIH funding. Here is a list of top R&D dollars at universities and half are public. Vandy and WashU are 24 and 25, kind of where they should be, no?

https://universitybusiness.com/r-d-research-and-development-billion-dollar-top-30-college-university-higher-ed-spenders/

Are you that dense? You just proved my point. Top 30 R&D, quite prestigious ahead of MIT and Northwestern. Btw, don’t see your dream school Berkeley on it

No need to get yourself into a tizzy. Just showing you that NIH funding is not the only research benchmark, lol.

You can feel free to think these (middling, IMO) fancy privates schools are so much better than publics (like UCLA and Michigan which are waaay above them on research funding) all you want. No one cares. Someone has to be willing to pay for your precious Maddie or Cooper to go there.

No one would say WashU is a better school than Cal. Its just a preference of what kind of experience you want to have.

Godspeed to St. Louis!

Well that’s your opinion based on your ignorance. You like to put down a school you know nothing about because of your stupidity and unable to look at different points of views

dp... you don't see the hypocrisy there, do you?

Cause there is none. The schools we are talking about are all great schools - for different students. Just because a public one went up on this ranking displacing a private one, doesn't necessarily make it better. And to throw out little insults thinking its smart and cute makes you look like a narrow-minded idiot.

Me thinks you are the only one throwing out insults and name calling: "provincial" "dense" "ignorance" "stupidity" "narrow-minded idiot". No one else said anything like that in this discussion. Sorry but it's clear you have some deep underlying insecurities and a not-so-slight anger issues. OK,ok Wash U is an amazing school, happy now?

I think you are confused, again. You are the one throwing out the insults. And I don't need you to tell me what schools are good and frankly I don't care what you think. I can do my own research. Now, I'm happy!

I'm a dp.. you are indeed the one throwing out insults, and it's why I called you out on your hypocrisy.

Let me quote what you wrote:

"opinion based on your ignorance"

"your stupidity"

So, some people have different pov from you, and you called their pov "ignorant" and "stupid".

You have a huge chip on your shoulder. I'm sorry your darling college fell in the rankings and made you feel insecure.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's wonderful that colleges are generous with money and Pell Grants for those in need of financial assistance. I don't see how that factor makes a school more academically superior to any other school.

It's easy enough to educate wealthy kids and to have them go on to high paying jobs and become movers and shakers.

Much harder to that for kids who don't come from wealthy families. That's why IMO, that ranking kind of makes sense. The vast majority of people in this country aren't from the 5%.

So the bottom 95% gets financial aid? Good to know, we're 92nd percentile.

no, that's not what I"m saying. The point is that a lot of the wealthy families (typical DCUM posters) don't care about how well a school can educate the non wealthy. But, the vast majority of this country are not typical wealthy DCUM posters, and a ranking that looks like how well it can educate and provide a spring board for such students on towards a good career and future is much more applicable to the rest of the 95%ers than a ranking that purely looks at what $80K/year buys.

Agreed. And c’mon, the rankings used to be biased in favor of factors that favor small rich private schools and now the factors are more balanced. Can anyone really quibble with a Berkeley or a UCLA being ahead of a Vanderbilt or a Wash U? Really?

You must have gone to school in the west coast cause you sound quite provincial

Not really. From a research funding and breadth of excellence in graduate programs and faculty standpoint there is no way Wash U or Vandy can compare to Cal and UCLA. So having this opinion is not "provincial".

Actually WashU had much more NIH funding than Berkeley or UCLA.

Well Cal doesn't have a medical school so that may be issue with just limiting to NIH funding. Here is a list of top R&D dollars at universities and half are public. Vandy and WashU are 24 and 25, kind of where they should be, no?

https://universitybusiness.com/r-d-research-and-development-billion-dollar-top-30-college-university-higher-ed-spenders/

Are you that dense? You just proved my point. Top 30 R&D, quite prestigious ahead of MIT and Northwestern. Btw, don’t see your dream school Berkeley on it

No need to get yourself into a tizzy. Just showing you that NIH funding is not the only research benchmark, lol.

You can feel free to think these (middling, IMO) fancy privates schools are so much better than publics (like UCLA and Michigan which are waaay above them on research funding) all you want. No one cares. Someone has to be willing to pay for your precious Maddie or Cooper to go there.

No one would say WashU is a better school than Cal. Its just a preference of what kind of experience you want to have.

Godspeed to St. Louis!

Well that’s your opinion based on your ignorance. You like to put down a school you know nothing about because of your stupidity and unable to look at different points of views

dp... you don't see the hypocrisy there, do you?

Cause there is none. The schools we are talking about are all great schools - for different students. Just because a public one went up on this ranking displacing a private one, doesn't necessarily make it better. And to throw out little insults thinking its smart and cute makes you look like a narrow-minded idiot.

Me thinks you are the only one throwing out insults and name calling: "provincial" "dense" "ignorance" "stupidity" "narrow-minded idiot". No one else said anything like that in this discussion. Sorry but it's clear you have some deep underlying insecurities and a not-so-slight anger issues. OK,ok Wash U is an amazing school, happy now?

I think you are confused, again. You are the one throwing out the insults. And I don't need you to tell me what schools are good and frankly I don't care what you think. I can do my own research. Now, I'm happy!

I'm a dp.. you are indeed the one throwing out insults, and it's why I called you out on your hypocrisy.

Let me quote what you wrote:

"opinion based on your ignorance"

"your stupidity"

So, some people have different pov from you, and you called their pov "ignorant" and "stupid".

You have a huge chip on your shoulder. I'm sorry your darling college fell in the rankings and made you feel insecure.

Wow! Are you off your meds again? You really gotta get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience of a student at a wealthy private is typically very different from the experience at a large public with a limited budget.

Generally speaking, course availability and getting the classes you actually want each semester can be a big difference between the two.

+1000
Just as the experience at an independent HS is very different from that a large public HS. What some people will never understand (ahem, public school parents) is that parents who pay to send their kids to elite HS's aren't interested in having their with the masses at large public colleges, regardless of rankings.

Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. Why would a parent send their kid to a private/independent school with its small class and individualized attention only to have them go across the country to attend classes with 500 other students at Berkeley or UCLA.

My kid attended an elite private and is now at one of the top UCs. When he applied he got into a private in top 20 and into UC for Comp Science. After doing a lot research, he concluded that a UC is better for his field. Infact, he also got a transfer option to Cornell. After spending a year at a UC and managing to get into a few groups, he decided not to exercise the transfer option because he already had friends. It is true that many of his friends opted for SLACs and private U but the trend is slowly changing. Not everyone wants to be in small environments and while things are not perfect at UC, things are not perfect at SLACs either. He is close to his HS friends and they discuss.

I also know a few kids from elite privates (all ranked top 5 in the country) who went to large publics in Cali but the numbers are quite small. As one PP posted previously, not one student from Sidwell went to a Cali public from 2018 to 2022 (latest data). Nothing wrong with those big schools but, in general, that's not where the (mainly) rich parents from these schools want their kids to go. Not making a political statement here, just stating the facts.