UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted in the other thread as well: this timeline article makes JM sound like he may be on the spectrum.
Truly: what 30+ man doesn't know to keep his hands to himself in a bar, late at night with women?
The article paints him as very odd.

WHAT? As the mother of a child with an ASD, I'm really offended by this. My DC is a teen and knows not to behave this way. Sexual aggressiveness is not a spectrum trait. of course its possible for someone with an ASD to behave this or any other way, but this alone is far, far from enough to say he has an ASD.

Please, have you never encountered drunken grabby men before? Its sadly not that odd. Yes, it sounds like he was on a tear. But there were men just like him in bars all over the country that Saturday night.

I am with you PP and empathize.

This thread is ridiculous with posts ranging from outright speculation to playing armchair detective, to psychoanalysis to medical evaluation. Add for good measure legal analysis which is in many instances outright nonsense.

[Anonymous]

This is a classic DCUM thread. Little logic and very little attention paid to some of the more intelligent, insightful posts.

[Anonymous]

I agree that the Tempo owner is just trying to avoid disaster between people shunning the restaurant and the ABC descending on them. I think they are lying.

I do think some people are being a little naive about what a bar looks like at closing time these days. The crowd that is still at the bar at closing is usually full of people who are drunk. People congregate outside and sometimes they pair of up go off in different directions.

Anonymous wrote:My theory is that he disposed of her body at the hospital where he worked somehow. I wonder if he had any shifts there after Hannah disappeared. Besides a morgue, do hospitals typically have the ability to dispose of cadavers (ie: an oven such as those found at funeral homes)? he likely had electronic key access to get in there.

That is one of the stupidest theories I've heard. Don't you think there's a reason the search has been focusing on farms outside of Charlottesville?


The signs really do seem to be pointing to this horrible case being connected to others in the Virginia. Anyone know if there are any unsolved cases in Hampton Roads that are similar?

[Anonymous]

That timeline is freaky. Where are his defenders now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted in the other thread as well: this timeline article makes JM sound like he may be on the spectrum.
Truly: what 30+ man doesn't know to keep his hands to himself in a bar, late at night with women?
The article paints him as very odd.

WHAT? As the mother of a child with an ASD, I'm really offended by this. My DC is a teen and knows not to behave this way. Sexual aggressiveness is not a spectrum trait. of course its possible for someone with an ASD to behave this or any other way, but this alone is far, far from enough to say he has an ASD.

Please, have you never encountered drunken grabby men before? Its sadly not that odd. Yes, it sounds like he was on a tear. But there were men just like him in bars all over the country that Saturday night.

Totally disagree. "Drunken grabby men" may not be rare, but they aren't normal - they are defective.

BTW this isn't about your DC , spectrum refers to a range and plainly doesn't mean that all are the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted in the other thread as well: this timeline article makes JM sound like he may be on the spectrum.
Truly: what 30+ man doesn't know to keep his hands to himself in a bar, late at night with women?
The article paints him as very odd.

WHAT? As the mother of a child with an ASD, I'm really offended by this. My DC is a teen and knows not to behave this way. Sexual aggressiveness is not a spectrum trait. of course its possible for someone with an ASD to behave this or any other way, but this alone is far, far from enough to say he has an ASD.

Please, have you never encountered drunken grabby men before? Its sadly not that odd. Yes, it sounds like he was on a tear. But there were men just like him in bars all over the country that Saturday night.

If we are going to "diagnose" him, I would say more ADHD, because of impulsivity and social inappropriateness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does everyone think of the restaurant's statement that Graham was never in the bar, but waited outside for Matthews. very strange.

I think they are lying since he bought two drinks. One for him and the other for Hannah. Also since she did not seem that drunk on the videos and the person at the bar said she could barely walk when she left with him that last drink must have put her over the edge, whatever was in it. Tempo will be closed down over this. Guaranteed.

I don't see how destroying a longstanding area business is going to help matters or solve anything. The door person does not recall seeing JM re-entering the bar with HG (something you would think she would remember). At closing time the door person did see JM exiting the bar from a side door and then walking with a very drunk HG. Maybe he had somehow managed to re-enter the bar through that side door? Did he prop it open before he left the bar the first time? Did another bar patron let him in?

And if he did exit through a side door, it would not have been difficult at all for him to have walked out of that bar with a couple of drinks..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted in the other thread as well: this timeline article makes JM sound like he may be on the spectrum.
Truly: what 30+ man doesn't know to keep his hands to himself in a bar, late at night with women?
The article paints him as very odd.

WHAT? As the mother of a child with an ASD, I'm really offended by this. My DC is a teen and knows not to behave this way. Sexual aggressiveness is not a spectrum trait. of course its possible for someone with an ASD to behave this or any other way, but this alone is far, far from enough to say he has an ASD.

Please, have you never encountered drunken grabby men before? Its sadly not that odd. Yes, it sounds like he was on a tear. But there were men just like him in bars all over the country that Saturday night.

Totally disagree. "Drunken grabby men" may not be rare, but they aren't normal - they are defective.

BTW this isn't about your DC , spectrum refers to a range and plainly doesn't mean that all are the same.

IMO, part of the reason some men behave that way is because they were not taught to treat women with respect. They see women as simply a play thing to use and throw away. I'm sure there some mentally ill people out there that do this, but for the most part behavior is taught. Just look across the globe and the difference between cultures- in Egypt for instance, grabby men are the norm. Are they all mentally ill? Doubtful. Conversely in a country like Japan, this behavior is not tolerated.

[Anonymous]

The Texas cops know how to make him talk. Cleaning a revolver a couple of inches from his knees (or balls) should help to concentrate the suspect's mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now the Tempo owner is saying that Graham could barely walk without Matthew's help. Does anyone else find this surprising given the videos?

I have felt all along that she was much more intoxicated (on something) than it appeared. And that maybe she overdosed. Not to speak ill of the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://insidecville.com/blog/ljs-timeline/

That article is just so sad and sobering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted in the other thread as well: this timeline article makes JM sound like he may be on the spectrum.
Truly: what 30+ man doesn't know to keep his hands to himself in a bar, late at night with women?
The article paints him as very odd.

Not on the spectrum -- very insulting to those with SN. This is a cold hearted sexual predator who is stalking that evening. The women who met him earlier knew just what kind of guy he was and kept their distance. And were with other men in a crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://insidecville.com/blog/ljs-timeline/

That article is just so sad and sobering.

Ugh, that is really sad. Wonder if she was given something at previous party that would cause her to head downtown and completely let her guard down- just seems like a case of beyond-drunk.

[Anonymous]

I am a PP who was previously arguing that I could understand JM running given the treatment if black men by police in this country.

I have read the timeline and speculation about JM being a serial killer linked 2 pages ago and I have to say it is pretty chilling. The three things that really got me were his weirdly predatory, aggressive and overly physical behavior that night, the fact that his "friend" described him as someone who looked for girls whose defenses were already impaired to give him a better chance with them, and the description of the door girl at Tempo that he left with Hannah and seemed to be holding her up. I do now think that JM was involved in her disappearance and possible murder. I can still understand why an innocent black man might flee police, and JM is innocent til proven otherwise, but his actions that night do not reflect "kindhearted" and "gentle soul" story we were hearing from his grandmother and seem consistent with those if a sexual predator or worse.

Oh the horror and dread her parents must be feeling now. I feel so awful for them.

I am confused over why, in such a high profile case, JT's lawyer is saying he will hopefully meet with JT soon when he is returned to VA and isn't going down to TX to talk to him. I also would hate to be that lawyer right now. It seems to me like, if JT did commit murder and dump the body, that legally it is in his best interests for the body never to be found so that murder cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. So as the lawyer you may not want to advise your client to tell, even if they offer your client a deal, because no body is still probably a better case than any murder deal. But as a HUMAN BEING you want your client to tell. It's a terrible position to be in. If there are any criminal defense attorneys who can speak to this I would be really interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now the Tempo owner is saying that Graham could barely walk without Matthew's help. Does anyone else find this surprising given the videos?

I have felt all along that she was much more intoxicated (on something) than it appeared. And that maybe she overdosed. Not to speak ill of the victim.

Before she left her friends that evening one of the guys had offered to walk Hannah home. It was still pretty early for a Fri night (11:30) and Hannah was dressed for a night out and she wasn't ready to call it a night. So she declined the escort home, left her friends and went somewhere on her own (where?). Within an hour she is seen on video trying to get into (but being turned away from McGrady's) and stumbling a bit outside the pub. She definitely was under the influence but she didn't seem falling down drunk...and soon she is seen on video jogging then fast walking. Soon JM was walking up and putting his arm around her. They end up at Tempo and within *minutes* Hannah is so intoxicated that she needs help walking....WEIRD.

Is there a "recreational" drug that she could have taken earlier (maybe before McGrady's) that might have taken a little time to kick in? Maybe JM put something into a drink that he gave her that kicked in FAST? Maybe she was thirsty from all that running and she downed both drinks too quickly not realizing how drunk/tired she already was? I have no idea, but poor Hannah.